If ID is a theory

[Phred]

If ID is a theory would someone please define it for me?

 

[Split Rock]

If ID is a theory would someone please define it for me?

No problem.

1. ID is not based on a religion, but we all know the Designer is God.
2. ID is perfectly compatable with evolution, which is why we recommend the teaching of "the evidence against evolution," in public schools.
3. ID means following the evidence of design to its logical presumed conclusion.
4. ID is a scientific-research based examination of the obvious design of biological organisms, which makes no use of scientific research.

Hope that helps, Phred.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

If ID is a theory would someone please define it for me?

ID is the theory that if you take creationism and do a find/replace operation that effectively changes the word “god” to “designer” you will be able to sneak it into the science curriculum via religious advocates in power on the school board thereby circumventing the separation of church and state and driving a wedge into the secular science curriculum.

 

[DailyBlessings]

If ID is a theory would someone please define it for me?

No IDers seem to be biting, so I'll attempt to write a serviceable hypothesis for them:

1. The natural world shows a greater level of complexity, defined by number of interrelated parts and functions, than would be exhibited if it had developed through random process.
2. The functionality of natural systems indicate that they were purposefully designed.

There- not perfect for obvious reasons, but I tried.

 

[TeddyKGB]

No IDers seem to be biting, so I'll attempt to write a serviceable hypothesis for them:

1. The natural world shows a greater level of complexity, defined by number of interrelated parts and functions, than would be exhibited if it had developed through random process.

Unsupportable without some a priori notion of the respective probabilities.

2. The functionality of natural systems indicate that they were purposefully designed.

Except for those systems which are dysfunctional or non-functional.

That one needs an overhaul.

There- not perfect for obvious reasons, but I tried.

Tough, innit?

 

[ThePenguinMafia]

Impossible, I'd say.

 

[Industriaan]

ID is like evoultions but the ones who follow that theorie cannot comprehend that evolution guides itself based on the survival of the fittest, muttations, sexual selection, envirement, ect
So the conclude: it must be the work of a "disigner" (read the christian god) who guide evertring in the right direction.....

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Ni Hao

 

[Kripost]

Must the definition satisfy Falsifiability?

 

[Garnett]

Falsifiablity is anti-theist. Anyone who mentions that word is racist.

Can any Creationists explain whether ID is more valid an explanation than Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Blessed be His Noodly Appendage)?

 

[DailyBlessings]

Falsifiablity is anti-theist. Anyone who mentions that word is racist.
Can any Creationists explain whether ID is more valid an explanation than Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Blessed be His Noodly Appendage)?

Actually, wouldn't the FSM fall under the category of ID? Unless, I suppose, he has no brain.

 

[Phred]

Must the definition satisfy Falsifiability?

They claim it's a scientific theory... so yes, it must.

 

[Erock83]

I don’t think any one organism is designed at all I believe the natural laws that have allowed organism to evolve, and the world to be as it is, are intelligently designed.
One Love

 

[OdwinOddball]

I don’t think any one organism is designed at all I believe the natural laws that have allowed organism to evolve, and the world to be as it is, are intelligently designed.
One Love

Then you do not conform to the far more common definition of ID as being a substitue for evolution. Instead what you are proposing is the why/who behind evolution/nature(how). Basically you have now put yourself in the Theistic Evolution camp.

 

[DailyBlessings]

I don’t think any one organism is designed at all I believe the natural laws that have allowed organism to evolve, and the world to be as it is, are intelligently designed.
One Love

That would be my contention... Intelligent design used to be a fairly sound philosophical argument, before it was hijacked by the YEC crowd.

Then you do not conform to the far more common definition of ID as being a substitue for evolution. Instead what you are proposing is the why/who behind evolution/nature(how). Basically you have now put yourself in the Theistic Evolution camp.

Must we all conform to a "Camp"? Erock's profile states that he really doesn't care, and as far as I'm concerned that's a perfectly valid stance.

 

[Erock83]

Then you do not conform to the far more common definition of ID as being a substitue for evolution. Instead what you are proposing is the why/who behind evolution/nature(how). Basically you have now put yourself in the Theistic Evolution camp.

I guess to some degree however I don’t believe that God created the ToE just the over arching laws that govern the universe. That more a surface level of the beliefs I think a more accurate description of how I view God is that those over arching universal constants are in some why God.
One Love

 

[Phred]

I don't think anyone's paying attention. If ID is a scientific theory is has to be defined somewhere. Otherwise what is there to discuss? If you think that we can each have our own versions of what we think ID is... then it's not science.

One last chance, anyone? What's the scientific theory of intelligent design?

 

[Erock83]

I don't think anyone's paying attention. If ID is a scientific theory is has to be defined somewhere. Otherwise what is there to discuss? If you think that we can each have our own versions of what we think ID is... then it's not science.

One last chance, anyone? What's the scientific theory of intelligent design?

Your right ID is not a theory you already knew that coming in here ID is the study of at what point does a deity get plugged into the equation. Some would tell you at the point where people can think freely, I tell you pre natural and physical laws. I simply contented that God is pre-fiat. Is it possible to use science or other academic fields to find that answer sure just depends on what part of the answer you are searching for.
One Love

 

[llDayo]

ID is the theory that if someone can appeal to a gullible person's religious beliefs by going against mainstream science, that person will be rich. <- winner

 

[FadingWhispers3]

My greatest concern with ID as a 'theory' is that I see it as a criticism of a standing theory: that it cannot stand alone. The purpose of theories is to explain, not merely account for phenomena. A theory must answer 'how' nor merely 'why.' Anyone may be free to try and disuade me.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I don't think anyone's paying attention. If ID is a scientific theory is has to be defined somewhere. Otherwise what is there to discuss? If you think that we can each have our own versions of what we think ID is... then it's not science.

One last chance, anyone? What's the scientific theory of intelligent design?

Does the universe operate in a random, chaotic manner or is there a design? i.e. does your heart pump blood into a tree or into your liver and why? is it random chance or does it do it for a purpose, a design, in order to cleanse the blood? if your heart pumped your blood into a tree what purpose would that serve? you can look at the entire universe and see everthing is not chaotic but has a design. Your blood flows to your lungs to receive the oxygen given off by trees. It is by design that trees feed the air so you can breath their oxygen to feed your blood and not that your blood gets fed into trees. Therefore, in order to have a design you need a designer. This implies intelligent thought for a design cannot be planned by an accident. Look at the universe and experience Phred, chaos causes destruction but the design of the universe is for life. Nothing has ever been made by exploding bombs but an almost endless supply of things have been made by design. The design theory is better science than accidents by random chance theory. Order has a design but, to the contrary, nothing is randomly causing accidents and making order.