if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

Oi vey... Naw- I mean your formatting throws me off. This last post was okay, though.


There was also a point to my last response to PiT.

A New Dawn said:

I do believe that this is true. That God knows us, which includes our hearts and our minds, and He knows what can lead us astray and strengthens us or helps us guard our hearts in areas that we need to guard.

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RETS said:

All law remains law.

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well if it does why aren't you following it?

prophecyistrue said:

well if it does why aren't you following it?

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Good question!

NKJV) 1 Corin 1:12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Luke 12:51 Ye are supposing that peace I came to give in the land.
Nay! I am saying to ye, but rather division

Reve 6:4 And came forth another firey horse and to the one sitting on him was given to him to be taking the peace from the land
[Ezekiel 38:21]

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I'm not advocating that anyone be legalistic or condemning.

I'm advocating that out of Love for Jesus Christ who suffered terribly on a cross for our sins, we guard our hearts from being seduced by things which He has reveals that He hates, and not be entertained by sin the way the world is.

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So getting back on topic, if you read 1 Corinthians 10:23-31.
St. Paul is talking about eating meat sacrificed to demons in the pagan temples. I've heard that often times the meat that was sold cheaply in the markets of Corinth and other greek cities was first offered to a god of some sort.

In the verses he says "Don't eat meat at someones house if another Christian tells you that it was sacrificed to a god" then he proceeds to tell us not for OUR conscience but the conscience of the other Christian, whom it obviously bothers.
It's a matter of conscience. In 10:29 he asks "Why should MY freedom be judged by another mans conscience" In 10:30 he says If I take part of the meal with thankfulness why should I be denounced because of something I give God thanks for.

In the last verse he says "whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it to the glory of God" I believe that the meal analogy he used can be used for literature, and other activities that feed the soul and mind.

Christians who choose to read Harry Potter out of a clear conscience ought not to be denounced for what they do by those who won't or can't read HP. At the same time Christians who feel they can read HP in good conscience ought not to flaunt it in front of their fellow believers, but not because they feel guilty for it, but because they don't want to cause their fellow believers to fall into judgemental mind sets.

I'm experience something along these lines in real life, where I'm going to have to alter some of my home decor for a group of Christians I've started fellowship with, at least on the days we have our prayer meeting at my apartment. Not for my sake because I don't feel anything about my decorations, but they might be put off.

anyone notice anything missing?, I 'm not sure who's post got cleaned up, anyway seems this dead horse has been ridden to the ground, I guess it boils down to what is considered Holy, Jesus said "be holy because I am holy" if some of you folks can imagine Jesus watching unmarried people having sex on TV or vampires drinking blood, or apprentice sorcerers practicing witchcraft, or any of the other garbage thats pumped into your house, feel free to watch it, feed it to your spirit, ......as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.......bye

But if my heart is entertained by sin, let me choose not to entertain my heart with sin. And if my heart is not entertained by sin, let me choose not to steer my heart out of the love of righteousness.

Let me enjoy the idea of a human defeating evil magicians without becoming a magician instead of enjoying "Harry Potter"; let me enjoy the idea of someone repenting from fornication and adultery instead of enjoying 'Desperate Housewives"; let me enjoy the idea of a detective helping to bring a criminal to justice instead of enjoying the portrayal of slick criminals; let me enjoy hearing about someone who repents of same-sex sexual activity, instead of enjoying "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"

Proverbs 4:23 "Watch over your heart with all diligence, For from it flow the springs of life."

Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

Galatians 5:19-24 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

And again,

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."​

So, if I'm entertained by Desperate Housewives, what am I doing with my heart? Doesn't sound wholesome to me. Doesn't sound godly. I want to practice righteousness in my heart.

Matthew 15:19 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"

1 John 3:4-5 "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin."​

Cartoon fornication and adultery is still pornographic. If a fiction work's main characters are constantly blaspheming and engaging in fornication, why would I want to choose such fiction as entertainment? If I find it entertaining, all the more reason to DECIDE not to be entertained by it. Even if I don't find it tempting, it isn't the sort of thing I want to surround my heart.

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ToBeInChrist said:

But if my heart is entertained by sin, let me choose not to entertain my heart with sin. And if my heart is not entertained by sin, let me choose not to steer my heart out of the love of righteousness.

Let me enjoy the idea of a human defeating evil magicians without becoming a magician instead of enjoying "Harry Potter"; let me enjoy the idea of someone repenting from fornication and adultery instead of enjoying 'Desperate Housewives"; let me enjoy the idea of a detective helping to bring a criminal to justice instead of enjoying the portrayal of slick criminals; let me enjoy hearing about someone who repents of same-sex sexual activity, instead of enjoying "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"

Proverbs 4:23 "Watch over your heart with all diligence, For from it flow the springs of life."

Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

Galatians 5:19-24 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

And again,

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good way to end this thread! straight forward scripture

prophecyistrue said:

anyone notice anything missing?, I 'm not sure who's post got cleaned up, anyway seems this dead horse has been ridden to the ground, I guess it boils down to what is considered Holy, Jesus said "be holy because I am holy" if some of you folks can imagine Jesus watching unmarried people having sex on TV or vampires drinking blood, or apprentice sorcerers practicing witchcraft, or any of the other garbage thats pumped into your house, feel free to watch it, feed it to your spirit, ......as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.......bye

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Until someone comes along and gives it a swift kick and "resurrects" it

prophecyistrue said:

anyone notice anything missing?, I 'm not sure who's post got cleaned up, anyway seems this dead horse has been ridden to the ground, I guess it boils down to what is considered Holy, Jesus said "be holy because I am holy" if some of you folks can imagine Jesus watching unmarried people having sex on TV or vampires drinking blood, or apprentice sorcerers practicing witchcraft, or any of the other garbage thats pumped into your house, feel free to watch it, feed it to your spirit, ......as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.......bye

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Well I am glad that many people faith is not as weak were a fictional book that contain Christian themes would shipwreck one's faith. As St. Paul all things are lawful and even Potter is < staff edit > < staff edit >

LittleLambofJesus said:

Until someone comes along and gives it a swift kick and "resurrects" it

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What about the Wizard of Id? Is he headed to the pit? What about Casper's buddy, Wendy?

Paul urged people to flee sexual immorality, and not to sacrifice to idols. Paul urged people to walk in the spirit not in the flesh, sorcery and sexual immorality and idolatry being fruit of the flesh that leads to death.

If you want to refer to Paul when He speak of freedom in the Spirit, please do not ignore him when he speaks about bondage to the flesh.

1 timothy 1:8-11 "8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust."

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Nowhere does the Bible indicate that we should be entertained by fiction about adultery or fornication or homosexuality or sorcery, or that it would be weakness of faith to find such things to be unworthy of one's time.

Ephesians 5:15-16 "See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, for the days are evil."

Why does it surprise you that a faithful Christian would HATE what GOD says is an ABOMINATION?

if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

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Yup, and some Christian think this is entertainment.

Yeah- I'm gonna kick the horse as well, because I could not respond to a few posts when I wanted to.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Seems like my bro Paul mentioned those in Galatians 4 in relation to the OC and NC Jerusalem if I remember my Bible correctly

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Indeed. I make such a statement because Christ said "I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

Then Paul states that through Christ we are free from the curse of the Law.

prophecyistrue said:

well if it does why aren't you following it?

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Well, big reason number one is that I don't take faceless advice from a forum post.

Number two, I fully believe that Christ meant what He said- "Go into all of the world and make disciples of ALL men." That would include Harry Potter fans, and if I can draw a parallel to Christ, better believe I'll do it.

Number three, I firmly believe that Paul was on the money when he said "be all things to all people." Do these posts really assume one is going to win over any Harry Potter, Blade, Underworld, or Twilight fans by slamming their favorite movies? If so, they are far more delusional than I first thought.

ToBeInChrist said:

I'm not advocating that anyone be legalistic or condemning.

I'm advocating that out of Love for Jesus Christ who suffered terribly on a cross for our sins, we guard our hearts from being seduced by things which He has reveals that He hates, and not be entertained by sin the way the world is.

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How interesting.

I propose we advocate also that we remove any and all sale items in a church to the parking lot- Which would also include fund raisers.

I propose we advocate the opening of tombs and the crashing of funerals so that we may attempt to raise the dead. This would come in very handy for many of those unsolved murders as well.

I propose we advocate driving pigs into the ocean; convincing people to give away all of their possessions; and let's not forget, stoning all guilty of adultery.

But why stop there?

Let's also flail ourselves as best we can, then take a 75 pound cross beam of rough timber and climb the hill, where we can then have a few Atheists hoist us onto our own cross; drive nails into our wrists and feet; shove a spear up our side, and see if we too can have a three day experience.

Aside from the fact that most Atheists wouldn't do that, no matter how much they dislike religion, it isn't necessary. None of that is. Why? Because we do not live in fear of, should not live in fear of, the Law. As Paul stated, "all things are permissible, not all things are beneficial."

Christians can say they are not legalists all they want. The truth is not in their denials, but in their pronouncements and actions. If they declare legalism, despite any and all denials, they are legalists.


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ToBeInChrist said:

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Nowhere does the Bible indicate that we should be entertained by fiction about adultery or fornication or homosexuality or sorcery, or that it would be weakness of faith to find such things to be unworthy of one's time.

Ephesians 5:15-16 "See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, for the days are evil."

Why does it surprise you that a faithful Christian would HATE what GOD says is an ABOMINATION?

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I am quite unaware of any mention of adultery, fornication, or homosexuality in the HP series, are you? In truth, if I wish to avoid mention of any of the four sins you cited I probably should leave CF entirely and devote myself to prayer and Bible reading.

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I am quite unaware of any mention of adultery, fornication, or homosexuality in the HP series, are you? In truth, if I wish to avoid mention of any of the four sins you cited I probably should leave CF entirely and devote myself to prayer and Bible reading.

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Another excellent point QFT.