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Godzila

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If God put us on this Earth to love us, I was wondering why in the BEGINNING he didn't just made us in Heaven and keep us there?

Does it have something to do with how suffering will bring testimonies and glorify his name? And if we're in heaven this won't be accomplished because only peace prevails in his kingdom.
 
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Good question. I don't really know. I think it's because he wanted to make us with free choice. Free to chose him. So then we chose our will over his, and chose to disobey. So he knew that in order for free choice to work there had to be a sacrifice for our sins, his son.

Eden was pretty much heaven. There was nothing there to make us sin, no sinful nature. Adam and Eve saw God face to face, and walked with him. But our free choice still led us wrong.
 
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If God put us on this Earth to love us, I was wondering why in the BEGINNING he didn't just made us in Heaven and keep us there?

Does it have something to do with how suffering will bring testimonies and glorify his name? And if we're in heaven this won't be accomplished because only peace prevails in his kingdom.

Not all of us .... romans 9:8-13...

God loved .. past tense in john 3:16 by sending his Son to die on the cross

we must believe that He is the only way ....

eph 3:16-20, phil 3:10 bring how God does it in this dispensation
 
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Hello Godzila.

Despite what most of christendom tells you, God's creation did not run away from Him and now He is damage control. God's creation is functioning wholey as intended.

The truth of the matter is that whilst death is considered a terrible thing by most, it is in fact an essential part of God's creation, for every man must tasted death.

Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Here's another way of looking at it.

Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Notice it says that the vessle was marred in the potters hand and not in someone else's.

Here is a second witness.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Can you see that it is saying the exact thing in this verse as in Jerimiah but in another way?

This is the central theme of scripture!

What about the whole freewill thing then?
What about it!

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
 
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If God put us on this Earth to love us, I was wondering why in the BEGINNING he didn't just made us in Heaven and keep us there?
Because it wouldn't then be heaven. It would contain far more who belong in the outer darkness than in the light- far more who love deeds of darkness than those who love.

So God made a test-bed, and put us in it, to 'find out' which of us will make a heaven, and which won't. Of course, he already knows that. But if he threw some straight into hell without trial, there would be complaints, because there would be no evidence of unfitness. So we are here to produce that evidence, or evidence that we are fit for heaven. We will have the video of our lives played back to us, and indeed shown in glorious giant wide-screen with surround sound for all to experience. And the criterion for the thumbs-up or the reverse is our attitude to Jesus.
 
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Because it wouldn't then be heaven. It would contain far more who belong in the outer darkness than in the light- far more who love deeds of darkness than those who love.

So God made a test-bed, and put us in it, to 'find out' which of us will make a heaven, and which won't. Of course, he already knows that. But if he threw some straight into hell without trial, there would be complaints, because there would be no evidence of unfitness. So we are here to produce that evidence, or evidence that we are fit for heaven. We will have the video of our lives played back to us, and indeed shown in glorious giant wide-screen with surround sound for all to experience. And the criterion for the thumbs-up or the reverse is our attitude to Jesus.


So He puts us on earth to prove that We worthy of everlasting torture even though He know's in advance?

Wow, what a loving God He is!

That god you just described is the god of orthodox Christianity not the God of the Bible!
 
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So He puts us on earth to prove that We worthy of everlasting torture even though He know's in advance?

Wow, what a loving God He is!

That god you just described is the god of orthodox Christianity not the God of the Bible!
orthodox Christianity is the only one allowed on most Christian boards on CF. If ya want to discuss so called "un-orthodox" Christianity, you might check out that board :wave:

http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
Unorthodox Christianity
 
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well i read all your answers , and Godzilas question and i believe we are to hate evil as much as the Father does [just my thoughts ]

when you get a good belly full of it , you wont WANT TO do it any more and than GOD will deliver you from it [whatever sin causes us to be a prisioner of it evil spirits ] and you sure will pray for them who are slaves to it also showing mercy , same mercy the Father had on you ...through Jesus Christ we are able it says ..having a clean conscience ...
Psa 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.


Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

these fruits of the evil spirit manifested to me , and Fear of the Lord is what starts the process of cleansing your souls towards God
I dont know , there is lots of things , Im sure ,to consider , but knowing evil and allowing it , is like feeding a beast , it gets stronger than you , and the next thing you know its done great harm , to others as well as yourself and you cannot control it any longer :(
this is what happens to me anyways , hope this helps answer in some small way ... God bless C
 
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You know I was thinking about it more. I realize Lucifer was in the place of Heaven. But even he had the choice to be disobedient to God.

I think I answered my own question. Even if Adam and Eve were in Heaven...or as the other member posted...EDEN was practically heaven..... there is still free will and free will may give rise to temptation and evil.
 
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You know I was thinking about it more. I realize Lucifer was in the place of Heaven. But even he had the choice to be disobedient to God.

I think I answered my own question. Even if Adam and Eve were in Heaven...or as the other member posted...EDEN was practically heaven..... there is still free will and free will may give rise to temptation and evil.


Well, so much for eternal security then!
 
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God takes the responsibility for the sin issue and showed His Love by giving us a way of escape from the penalty of eternal death [separation from Him] brought on by Adam's transgression. Sin can only happen from freewill. Freewill is the only mechanism by which love can be received by God. Can anyone now see the problem with this necessary divine arrangement?

Freely given, freely received.
 
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It is the process that God is after; there are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; those who overcame and those who did not.

The Children of Israel could of taken 9 days to cross the wilderness. BUT No God led them for forty years. Now we are walking in this wilderness of life for the same reason:

Deut 8:1-2
All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments. (KJV)
 
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Look at it this way, God created men, but he knew they were going to sin, after all one of his own angels betrayed him, but he still did it and he gave us freewill, because he is a God of love and he doesn't want to force anyone to love him, he gives us the choice (even though) he knows the choice we're going to make. I'll put it in simple words:

Ever had an older person warn you about something or tell you not to do something because they know nothing good it's gonna come out of it, but yet you still do it, because you need to experience it by yourself! That's means you make your own choices and not listen to the ONE who knows better.! Yea it's the same thing! God knows what your gonna do but and guess what he tries to tell you and advice you, but at the end you do whatever you want and he knows that!

God Bless You
 
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