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If God loves atheists, then why wouldn't he allow them a place in heaven?
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IndieVisible
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Because god does not exist to them, so there for there is no heaven.
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There's a place for the world...
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Don't feel bad for those that don't/didn't get into heaven (not saying who will or who won't)...they'll just "perish", like some atheists believe will happen (and the bible says will happen), anyways ("return to the earth" or whatever...)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Don't feel bad for those that don't/didn't get into heaven (not saying who will or who won't)...they'll just "perish", like some atheists believe will happen (and the bible says will happen), anyways ("return to the earth" or whatever...)
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razeontherock
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While Jesus makes it clear He's not planning on giving us any secret decoder ring to determine who's in or out, He does make it pretty clear that merely what we think (or don't) is not the full basis of His decision about it.
In other words, what the bible means by "believe" is rather different than the way the word is used today.
In other words, what the bible means by "believe" is rather different than the way the word is used today.
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What do you suppose the Bible means by "believe"?
Where in the Bible does it say those who believe a particular thing will go to heaven, while those who don't will not?
How did the authors of the Bible get the definitive word as to who will go to heaven and who won't?
Did the authors of the Bible investigate their findings before putting it into print and/or publishing the book?
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razeontherock
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This is NOT an easy answer! As a very young child learning to read, I noticed I had NO idea what Jesus meant by this "believe" stuff. Apparently that's a good starting point.
The Bible NEVER says anyone "goes to heaven when they die." But a more direct answer to your question could start with John 11:25-26, and 12:46.
Au contraire, those who asked Jesus about other's fate were sternly rebuked, and told to mind their own business!
This is a foolish question. You should examine how this thing we now call the Bible came into being, which really isn't on topic for this thread.
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For the same reason He won't allow any of the unregenerate a place in Heaven: Because of their sin.
And why would an atheist want to go to Heaven, anyway? To spend an eternity with a God they spent their entire lives rebelling against and with millions of people they believe are idiots?
I hear atheists ask questions similar to yours all the time. The obvious irony that it presupposes the existence of God aside, I've always found it odd that atheists will say "If God really loves atheists then why doesn't He..." but they never ask "If God does not love atheists, then why does He offer them forgiveness through Christ".
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All the love in the universe doesn't acquit us of the sins we have committed. We're still guilty, justice still needs to be paid. That's why God sent us Jesus, out of love he gave us a savior so we might be reconciled with him.
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Now that you are no longer a child learning to read, what conclusion have you come to with respect to what the Bible means by "believe"?
Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this? I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Has anyone ever verified that all of this is true?
Who authenticated that Jesus really said what is written in John 11:25-26 & 12:46 and what authentication process was used?
At the time of the writing of John 11:25-26 & 12:46, were there any known occurrences of someone who had believed in Jesus and kept on living after they died?
In general, is that the same response they would get if Jesus knew nothing about the fate of others?
Quite the contrary. It is far from a foolish question. If the answer were yes, I'd wager that you would say so. Therefore, I'd like to ask why the authors of the Bible did not investigate their findings before putting it into print form?
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An atheist doesn't care if he goes to heaven or to hell.
You tell me which is the more appropriate question. Let's start out by asking you if God loves atheists.
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razeontherock
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You missed the point of my comment. It is a life-long pursuit. This cannot be encapsulated in an internet post! Faith is a living thing, the gift of G-d, and unique to each individual.
12 Apostles, + Jesus who is Himself an Apostle
Everyone they taught
As to the process, the gift of the Holy Spirit directly from G-d, and daily worship in the Temple for 30+ years, where the Gospels were recited DAILY in the congregation (1,000's strong) including those that were there at the original gift, on the day of Pentecost. Same for all the Gospels. The only difference in the rest of the NT, is not all Churches used all of it in their worship.
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Atheists don't want to be with God (Heaven.) they Just do not want Hell. Why would God force someone into Heaven who truly does not want to be there? How would this be the actions of a Righteous God?
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Let's say Pete is a human and his intellect tells them that it is not possible for an omniscient & omnipotent being to exist. But he figures if there is a heaven and it's a worthy place to be, then he wants to go there. How can he ensure that he'll go to heaven without going against what his intellect tells him?
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joey_downunder
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So if theoretical Pete does actually believe in Heaven:
1. Where does this Pete believe Heaven came from?
2. If Pete decides Heaven has a creator is Pete going to try to find out the conditions of entry from this creator?
3. Is it at ALL logical to accept Heaven but reject the creator of Heaven? Wouldn't that be like Pete turning up to a party and believing that the party's host isn't there or demands the host to actually leave his own party so Pete would be happy and enjoy himself?
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oi_antz
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Cieza, it's actually very simple. Jesus said "Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them."
Notice that all you have to do is accept Jesus' commandments and obey them, then He will reveal Himself to you, then no matter what anyone says you will know that He is alive and that God exist's.
I'm sure I have told you this before, I just wonder why you decide not to listen to the answers you get.
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Perhaps I should clarify the question.
Let's say Pete is a human and his intellect tells them that it is not possible for an omniscient & omnipotent being to exist. Pete thinks it is highly unlikely there is a heaven. But if there is a heaven and it's a worthy place to be, then he wants to go there. How can he ensure that he'll go to heaven without going against what his intellect tells him?
But to answer your questions:
1) Pete doesn't even think or care where Heaven - if it exists - came from
2) Not applicable, because Pete doesn't even have one conscious thought about where Heaven - if it exists - came from.
3) In the case of Pete, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think there is a remote possibility of Heaven being there without acknowledging its creator.
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