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If God doesn’t fill the void...why keep on believing?

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I suffer from depression and an emptiness. I tried for years to seek peace with God and a sense of “joy in the Lord”. I never got this joy. At times I felt a warmth when I prayed and a sense of hope but I can’t say I’ve felt a lasting joy in salvation, my future or a lasting fulfilment. Nothing joyous as they say you are meant to have. I always felt an endless seeking ...which is what you are supposed to feel. But WHY? It is like a one sided relationship with an abusive partner who never fulfills you!

A person said that to be a Christian is to “get up and fall back down again over and over again till you die” (In other words)

This person says this
Jesus Doesn’t Always Fill Your Emptiness — and Why That’s Okay

Why be a Christian if it just means all of this sadness and empty seeking? An endless void is all the hope we have on earth?

I admit I’ve fallen recently because this is too much to accept!
 

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This situation reminds me of a couple of threads I've seen of late on the subject of whether the saved still sin. Specifically, it reminds me of how salvation is an all encompassing transformation in which our old self dies, nailed to the cross with Christ, and a new self is born of the spirit, of the seed of God, in which sin and doubt become a memory not a reality (as that is what Repentance actually means in practice).

These threads raise the very real point that many of us who consider ourselves to be saved may not actually be saved at all.

@1stcenturylady makes some convincing arguments on this in particular.
 
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The sadness isn't because your a Christian, it's because you're human. I go through similar bouts of depression yet if I were to give up in faith, I would loose little joy I actually have. Happiness is not necessarily our lot in life as Christians.
 
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We "first trusted in Christ" (in Ephesians 1:12).

Do not trust what depression is telling you. You are not believing, while you are believing what depression tells us and is getting people to think. It is cruel and dishonest and anti-hope > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.'" (Matthew 11:28-30)

So, Jesus Himself calls to "all" of us who are "heavy laden" and laboring. Jesus Himself has hope for any of us . . . "all" . . . to have "rest for your souls."

And, among other things, depression can be an attack and trick to make us fear being quiet.

I mean how we can be quiet with God, in His gentle and quiet love >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, in quietness with God we are pleasing to Him, and we are in His almighty safety against anti-quiet things. Boredom and loneliness also are attacks against our being deeply and nicely pleasant with God, in personal and sensitive sharing with Him. And lusts are dominating drives for different sorts of pleasure; the pleasure seeking of food abuse and immoral pleasure is against our being quiet in God's love. Lust is not love!! And, of course, fear and anxiety are against love > 1 John 4:17-18 < and in depression there can be plenty of fear's "torment" (1 John 4:18).

And God is the One who is spiritual enough to get us free of nasty and cruel things in us. His love has His own immunity almighty, which He shares with us more and more as we get His correction of our character > Hebrews 12:4-11.

So, we all need this.

Guilt-tripping ourselves, and shame, by the way, are tricks to keep us elsewhere. We can feel like nobody understands us, but this is not about people understanding; God our Heavenly Father understands us, and He knows how we need His correction of His love's perfection > 1 John 4:17.
 
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I suffer from depression and an emptiness. I tried for years to seek peace with God and a sense of “joy in the Lord”. I never got this joy. At times I felt a warmth when I prayed and a sense of hope but I can’t say I’ve felt a lasting joy in salvation, my future or a lasting fulfilment. Nothing joyous as they say you are meant to have. I always felt an endless seeking ...which is what you are supposed to feel. But WHY? It is like a one sided relationship with an abusive partner who never fulfills you!

A person said that to be a Christian is to “get up and fall back down again over and over again till you die” (In other words)

This person says this
Jesus Doesn’t Always Fill Your Emptiness — and Why That’s Okay

Why be a Christian if it just means all of this sadness and empty seeking? An endless void is all the hope we have on earth?

I admit I’ve fallen recently because this is too much to accept!
You're not going to find joy with that kind of selfish self-centered attitude. It's in the midst of humbling ourselves and obeying the Lord that we find joy. And joy is not what we should seek, but rather experience in the midst of living the Christian life.

Ro 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him
 
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Do you have some certain expectation when you are seeking God? When you are seeking peace and joy from Him, how do you manifest 'peace' and 'joy' in your mind?
Good point. I'm not the cheeriest of persons either and one of my go to scriptures is Philippians 4:8. Also Hebrews 11:10. I believe a person's outlook on this life has a lot to do with how they focus on things about this life.
 
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It is like a one sided relationship with an abusive partner who never fulfills you!

God is not an abuser. He gets blamed for a whole lot of things He neither caused nor desired. People who blame God invariably are short-sighted and are not dealing with their own responsibility in the matter and the fact that sin is in the world.

At the very beginning, God warned Adam clearly not to sin, and what the cost would be. Then, despite Adam's sin, He stuck with the human race when He was not obligated to. He did it out of love.

In His wisdom, in order to populate heaven and earth for eternity, He has delayed the consummation of all things. That means that we must deal with this fallen, miserable world. Just like Jesus did, except our burden is less than His was.

When you get a glimpse of God, both His love and His holiness, you will realize that He is worthy of being loved and served, no matter how hard it is down here at this time.

I tried walking away from God once. The meaningless and darkness were too much to bear. When He showed me His faithfulness to me despite my ignorance, I came back. My intention is never to do that again.
 
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I tried walking away from God once. The meaningless and darkness were too much to bear. When He showed my His faithfulness to me despite my ignorance, I came back. My intention is never to do that again.

I'm sorry that you feel this way, Jesus' Girl. But do not give up on God. Many people actually feel this way. But I hope that you will also pursue something tangible in life, like taking care of your immediate family, calling your closest friends or find a new hobby. God has given us a lot of avenue's to fill this emptiness and not just by spiritual means.

If things do get heavy, try seeking professiona help.
 
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Friend, if you suffer from these things please seek professional help. Mental health is a serious issue. There's no stigma, and it's nothing to be taken lightly. Pray...but get help also.
 
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If a person comes to believe in Jesus at a certain point in time, what kinds of things should he or she expect God to do for them? Coming into the Lord's family means coming in as an infant. An infant and even a toddler doesn't know or even correctly suspect what he or she needs at all (responding to hunger isn't "knowing" and is no different than what animals do).

The first order of business for a person that wants more of God is to hold onto his hand and walk with him. He knows the way, but the path can be painful. However, the pain is not from God; it is from sin.

“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33, 1984 NIV)

The Jesus path is many things, one of which is a process of overcoming the world. Fortunately, in tandem with the pain and trouble of this life, God in his grace reveals more of himself to us and in us, and it is this that brings the fruit of the Spirit such as peace, love, and joy. However, you get this by getting more of God. A good question for everyone who calls himself by the name of Christ is: How much am I trying to get more of God? In practice this matters a huge amount as to what and how we experience our days, weeks, months, and years, and by the way, how much we understand God's Word (and eventually how easy it is to obey him).

The universe was made in God's image and it functions similarly to his nature, even though God is separate from the creation. For example, if God were on vacation, sin would still bring death. In this life, God doesn't need to pass judgment for this to happen (Romans 5:13-14). Sin has "natural" consequences and unfortunately we are all submerged in world of sin. So regardless of how God sees us (beloved child, always, btw), or more practically, how we think God see us, we still need to do what we he told us is the spiritually healthy way to live. This is our side of sanctification. What happens is that more of God comes to you, is shown to you, is revealed in you, is revealed through you, and lives with you (John 16:13, John 14:21, John 14:23).

To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-32, 1984 NIV)

If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. (John 15:10-11, 1984 NIV)

I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18, 1984 NIV)

We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. (2 Corinthians 4:10, 1984 NIV)

(I have had varying forms of social anxiety disorder and clinical depression all my life and have had bipolar disorder II for the last 20 years.)
 
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Hebrews 12:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Race of Faith

1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the [a]author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.

Do not let other people snag your emotions too much.
Whom do you love? Do you love the things of this world and those of the world, or do you love God and the things of God, that determines where your heart is what you love.

Romans 8
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [g]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
 
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I suffer from depression and an emptiness. I tried for years to seek peace with God and a sense of “joy in the Lord”. I never got this joy. At times I felt a warmth when I prayed and a sense of hope but I can’t say I’ve felt a lasting joy in salvation, my future or a lasting fulfilment. Nothing joyous as they say you are meant to have. I always felt an endless seeking ...which is what you are supposed to feel. But WHY? It is like a one sided relationship with an abusive partner who never fulfills you!

A person said that to be a Christian is to “get up and fall back down again over and over again till you die” (In other words)

This person says this
Jesus Doesn’t Always Fill Your Emptiness — and Why That’s Okay

Why be a Christian if it just means all of this sadness and empty seeking? An endless void is all the hope we have on earth?

I admit I’ve fallen recently because this is too much to accept!

If you are basing your Christian faith on "feelings" rather than the truth of God, who He is, how you are unrighteous before (apart from His work of grace in your heart), who you are before Him, and what Jesus Christ has done for you at the cross, you are looking at it from the completely wrong perspective (if you believe that it is all about "feelings"). If someone has told you that your relationship with Jesus Christ is all about feelings, you have been lied to and you have accepted the lie. This is not to say that feelings are not involved in a relationship with Jesus Christ, but feelings do not define, nor are they the foundation of a relationship with Jesus Christ.

The Christian will struggle with who they are in Jesus Christ, because the Christian still has a sin nature that they are struggling against. Being a Christian does not mean that you or your life is perfectly blind bliss. Jesus tells us that in this world, you will have tribulation, but to take heart, because He has overcome the world.

If you think God is "an abusive partner who never fulfills you", you have a completely wrong understanding of the gospel and who God is.
 
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WOW why do I even bother! Permantly lesving this forum. I am not selfish.

JG, my advice is not to allow yourself to be stumbled by one or two posts, if there is something else in the thread that can help you. This is an important principle in life. There are times to leave, but we need to be careful about doing it too soon.
 
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I suffer from depression and an emptiness. I tried for years to seek peace with God and a sense of “joy in the Lord”. I never got this joy. At times I felt a warmth when I prayed and a sense of hope but I can’t say I’ve felt a lasting joy in salvation, my future or a lasting fulfilment. Nothing joyous as they say you are meant to have. I always felt an endless seeking ...which is what you are supposed to feel. But WHY? It is like a one sided relationship with an abusive partner who never fulfills you!

A person said that to be a Christian is to “get up and fall back down again over and over again till you die” (In other words)

This person says this
Jesus Doesn’t Always Fill Your Emptiness — and Why That’s Okay

Why be a Christian if it just means all of this sadness and empty seeking? An endless void is all the hope we have on earth?

I admit I’ve fallen recently because this is too much to accept!
Hi.
I hope to pass along some encouragement.
Where you are, I have been. There really is hope for happiness and contentment.
Depression and sadness is directly connected to the self....the ego.
Depression stems from dwelling in the past. Often, people are abused, cheated, lied to, and some assaulted. We have these subconscious thoughts that say things like "I cannot believe someone would hurt me, as I am a special person of great value and morals and someone had the audacity to not recognize that but think of me as common or worthless". Then we replay the event over and over in our mind and just get more bitter over time. It roots in our soul and begins to consume us.

For me, the eye opener was when I finally realized, that when people are rude, aggressive, abusive or controlling, they are simply acting out what has happened to them in the past.
The offender is actually a victim.
The way to stop the cycle of madness is to feel empathy for them.
Rather than responding to attacks with defensive actions, the key to stopping such attacks is LOVE. It usually backfires a few times, as the other person probably gets no love from anyone, but if you persist, they will actually befriend you in time, or perhaps avoid you like the plague if their hearts are really hard.

We also must look at every person as an equal. Though our personal morality may be different, we are still required by the commands of Jesus to love them. But he wasn't laying some impossible burden on us. He said that his burden was light. Love is easy if we can stop thinking so highly of ourselves and so lowly of others.

It sounds like I am suggesting that WE are the cause of our own pain and depression. And well, yes I am. But i can promise you that if you can learn to love those who mistreat you, from your inner heart, and not think of ourselves as morally superior. Every last human has sin.
The issue is that one person may think of themselves as righteous because they don't smoke or cuss. But if they are greedy or gossipers at the same time, they might actually be morally beneath one who smokes but never gossips.
We need to lighten up with others and try not to think of one sin being worse than another sin. Sin is any action, thought or deed that is not in line with God's character which is love.

Once you commit to loving others equally you will find that peace and contentment you have been searching for.

BlessUp.
 
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Hope you read this once again.
(sorry for the long post. I personally dislike the long post for this kind of thread, as i might seems to be a lecturer rather than to be a brother in Christ)

Christianity is life. I understand you feel empty, endless seeking, and abandoned sometimes. It is not always what we want that God will provide. He sometimes gave the best for us in a way we cannot understand, we just need to believe and endure, keep your faith.

When i asked how you manifest the "joy" and "peace", it is just like @Norbert L said, sometimes the way we see the world is the only thing that separate us from God. We believe we have done many things to seek God, reading bible, going to church, but the only thing we need to change is the way we see life. If you focus on bad things, you may feel disappointed. Sometimes, we need to learn to appreciate bad things, as it can be the way of God taking you back to His plans for you.

An illustration below . Source: Nature vs Nurture: How do baby birds learn how to fly? | Bio-Aerial Locomotion

"The main source of motivation for baby birds is food. The baby bird knows nothing more than that at regular intervals their mother will come and drop some food off in their mouth. Slowly the mother bird will stand farther and farther away from the nest, forcing the baby bird to come out of the nest in order to get food. The bird realizes it needs this food to survive and this is the motivation for them to venture out onto a branch. Chances are the first few times the bird will fall down to the ground, but this repetitive process slowly becomes habitual to the bird. It will eventually learn that it can ease its falls by spreading its wings. The bird will become accustomed to this idea and every time it falls, it will attempt to flap its wings more and more. The result of not falling to the ground is something known as positive reinforcement. The result of not falling/ being able to fly its way back up to get food will motivate the bird to fly more often.
There have also been reports that parents will sometimes push a baby out of their nest. Perhaps the baby will not quite realize that it can’t survive unless it learns how to fly and becomes too dependent on their parent. Therefore the parent will forcibly teach them that unless they learn how to flap their wings, they are going to keep hitting the ground and will not get food. Once the bird has experienced flight for the first time, it does not make the second or third time very smooth. The bird will flail its wings clumsily and only sustain itself for a few seconds if that. Only with practice do they learn the ropes and develop the muscles necessary to flap their wings to their fullest potential"

When you feel your are lonely, God is actually there, He is always with you. But He may wants you to be strong enough to stand, to walk, and He may wants you to fly. Unless being forced, we may not realized that we are strong.
 
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hi @Jesus' Girl,

I hope you don't leave the forums, in spite of the fact that some people (including myself) can sometimes be a little bit too blunt in their zeal to defend God.

Now don't take this the wrong way, but we know from scripture that the fruit of the Spirit is among other things joy and peace (Galatians 5:22-23).

Also God tells us that we can partake of living water that will satisfy us if we believe in Jesus (John 6:35, John 4:13-14, John 7:37-39). This living water is the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost.

God gives the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost to them that obey Him (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

Ask yourself, Is there anything in my life that I am putting before God as a matter of importance?

If there is anything like that, then that thing is an idol in your life, and you will never experience the love, joy, and peace that Jesus has to offer until you put God first.

If there is anything you desire more than God, that is covetousness and also idolatry.

Maybe you have made the desire for love, joy, and peace a particular idol?

Press into God, and desire a relationship with Him apart from the benefits you hear about, and perhaps you will begin to experience those benefits.
 
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