If God asks....

[Skavau]

I don't claim to be moral nor do I care about being moral. I care about knowing and loving God and loving the people he created.

Until, of course God says otherwise. The only reason you even love at all is because you think God tells you to. If God told you to hate, you would. Your love for others is by your own admission entirely empty and done for reasons of obedience.

 

[Skavau]

How do you imagine he would communicate with me? Through a vision? Audible voice? Through the Bible?

I don't know. You're splitting hairs. However God chooses to communicate to you, would you kill for him?

 

[brightlights]

Until, of course God says otherwise. The only reason you even love at all is because you think God tells you to. If God told you to hate, you would. Your love for others is by your own admission entirely empty and done for reasons of obedience.

God has already spoken. He will not speak otherwise. I love God because I have experienced his love for me. This fills me up and inspires me to love others.

 

[brightlights]

I don't know. You're splitting hairs. However God chooses to communicate to you, would you kill for him?

It is actually important. God has already spoken by his son Jesus. If I saw a vision of an angel telling me to kill or heard an audible voice I know that it is not from God.

 

[Skavau]

God has already spoken. He will not speak otherwise. I love God because I have experienced his love for me. This fills me up and inspires me to love others.

Yet given your previous assertions this still remains entirely empty. Your desire to love is there solely because you believe God commands you to love.

 

[Skavau]

It is actually important. God has already spoken by his son Jesus. If I saw a vision of an angel telling me to kill or heard an audible voice I know that it is not from God.

The hypothetical assumes that it is in fact God and you know it.

So if God actually did order you to kill, would you do it?

 

[brightlights]

Yet given your previous assertions this still remains entirely empty. Your desire to love is there solely because you believe God commands you to love.

So you say. But I say otherwise.

 

[brightlights]

The hypothetical assumes that it is in fact God and you know it.

So if God actually did order you to kill, would you do it?

This, then, has become a logically incoherent question and cannot be answered.

 

[Skavau]

This, then, has become a logically incoherent question and cannot be answered.

How is it a logically incoherent question? My original question was always the same, you just chose to focus in on the prospect of it not being God (in which case I would have asked "How would you know if God was communicating with you?")

If you don't want to answer it, fine but it is an entirely reasonable question especially in light of some of your amoral statements and attitude.

 

[brightlights]

How is it a logically incoherent question? My original question was always the same, you just chose to focus in on the prospect of it not being God (in which case I would have asked "How would you know if God was communicating with you?")

If you don't want to answer it, fine but it is an entirely reasonable question especially in light of some of your amoral statements and attitude.

The OP was not hypothetical. You asked "If God commanded a certain group of people be killed, would it be wrong?" God has commanded that certain people be killed.

It became hypothetical when you asked "If God asked you to kill someone, would you do it?"

Do you see how your question changed?

It has become logically incoherent because the God we're talking about speaks through his Word (his written word and incarnate word, Jesus). He doesn't tell individuals to do things contrary to his written word. This God, therefore, cannot command me to kill in a private, vision-like way. He can only command me to kill through his written word. So the question has become logically incoherent.

 

[Skavau]

The OP was not hypothetical. You asked "If God commanded a certain group of people be killed, would it be wrong?" God has commanded that certain people be killed.

It became hypothetical when you asked "If God asked you to kill someone, would you do it?"

Do you see how your question changed?

There was no "certain" there. There was only some group. The group could be anyone.

Here's a better question: If God does choose to kill someone, or some group of people would his reasoning matter to you?

It has become logically incoherent because the God we're talking about speaks through his Word (his written word and incarnate word, Jesus). He doesn't tell individuals to do things contrary to his written word. This God, therefore, cannot command me to kill in a private, vision-like way. He can only command me to kill through his written word. So the question has become logically incoherent.

If God commanded you to kill through his written word, would you do it?

 

[brightlights]

Here's a better question: If God does choose to kill someone, or some group of people would his reasoning matter to you?

I'm not sure.

If God commanded you to kill through his written word, would you do it?

Yes. This would be if I was in law enforcement or in the army and I was required to carry out justice or defend the innocent. Otherwise God does not command killing.

 

[Skavau]

I'm not sure.

Can you expand on this?

Yes. This would be if I was in law enforcement or in the army and I was required to carry out justice or defend the innocent. Otherwise God does not command killing.

Why does the word "innocent" have any meaning to you? You've already described morality as a "silly concept" and affirmed God's right to kill groups of people.

 

[brightlights]

Can you expand on this?

I've not yet experienced this so I don't know how I would feel.

Why does the word "innocent" have any meaning to you? You've already described morality as a "silly concept" and affirmed God's right to kill groups of people.

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

 

[Skavau]

I've not yet experienced this so I don't know how I would feel.

That you would answer anything other than "yes" there is scary.

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

I'm wondering why you assert value in ideals founded in morality (such as innocence) when you basically rejected it earlier and affirmed God's right to do what he likes.

 

[brightlights]

That you would answer anything other than "yes" there is scary.

Boo.

I'm wondering why you assert value in ideals founded in morality (such as innocence) when you basically rejected it earlier and affirmed God's right to do what he likes.

Maybe "helpless" is a better word.

 

[Skavau]

Boo.

You missed the point entirely. Do you have any idea how you're coming across in this thread?

Maybe "helpless" is a better word.

Why do you care about the helpless? Seriously, if only God matters at all times to you then surely your interest in the innocent or the helpless is conditional on what he wants or want is of interest to you in regards to God?

 

[brightlights]

You missed the point entirely. Do you have any idea how you're coming across in this thread?

I apologize for being snarky.

Why do you care about the helpless?

Because God cares about the helpless. And because I was helpless and God cared about me.

Seriously, if only God matters at all times to you then surely your interest in the innocent or the helpless is conditional on what he wants or want is of interest to you in regards to God?

Yes, but God cares deeply for those who are helpless.

 

[Skavau]

I apologize for being snarky.

That doesn't upset me. I just wonder if you honestly know how you're coming across in this thread.

Because God cares about the helpless. And because I was helpless and God cared about me.

Yes, but God cares deeply for those who are helpless.

But you don't. Yours is conditional. That's my point.

 

[brightlights]

That doesn't upset me. I just wonder if you honestly know how you're coming across in this thread.

I have no control over how I'm received.

But you don't. Yours is conditional. That's my point.

Maybe so. I'm willing to concede that you are much more moral than I am. You are probably a better man who cares about others more than I do.