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Elioenai26 said:In fact, I can understand your position very clearly if it is a genocidal god you refuse to honor and worship. I am with you. I would refuse to worship such a god as well. I am not into genocide at all.
I think we are talking about two different concepts. I do not know who you are referring to, but my God is merciful, compassionate, and loving, and good. He is also Holy and righteous.
Elioenai26 said:First things first, God does'nt just do "whatever", all that God does, He does in accordance with His holiness, righteousness, justice, mercy, and compassion and love. He does these things and they are in complete harmony with His nature.
Since God never has, nor ever will order genocide, I don't see your point.
Genocide is objectively wrong.
All of this is pointless. It is pointless because God has never ordained genocide, nor will He ever ordain genocide.
No matter what God does you would always call it holy.Elioenai26 said:First things first, God does'nt just do "whatever", all that God does, He does in accordance with His holiness, righteousness, justice, mercy, and compassion and love. He does these things and they are in complete harmony with His nature.
That the only reason you are against genocide is because God has not told you to do it. That genocide to you isn't even actually wrong, just forbidden. All that is really wrong to you is doing contrary to what God says.Since God never has, nor ever will order genocide, I don't see your point.
Unless of course, God orders it. Then it is right.Genocide is objectively wrong.
It is not remotely pointless. Intent is not mythical. The reasons why people think the way they do are important. That you consider humanity as mere tools for God and would genocide it if commanded to is important. It is also important on the exact same point that you believe that all non-Christians are to be tortured in the afterlife for not believing. These anti-social and outright hateful viewpoints infect are the product of corrupt values, and it shows.All of this is pointless. It is pointless because God has never ordained genocide, nor will He ever ordain genocide.
Elioenai26 said:First things first, God does'nt just do "whatever", all that God does, He does in accordance with His holiness, righteousness, justice, mercy, and compassion and love. He does these things and they are in complete harmony with His nature.
Since God never has, nor ever will order genocide, I don't see your point.
Genocide is objectively wrong.
All of this is pointless. It is pointless because God has never ordained genocide, nor will He ever ordain genocide.
Nonsense.In fact, I can understand your position very clearly if it is a genocidal god you refuse to honor and worship. I am with you. I would refuse to worship such a god as well. I am not into genocide at all.
Would this be the same God who you claim will torture me for eternity because I'm not saved?I think we are talking about two different concepts. I do not know who you are referring to, but my God is merciful, compassionate, and loving, and good. He is also Holy and righteous.
No matter what God does you would always call it holy.
No matter what God does you would always call it righteous.
No matter what God does you would always call it just.
No matter what God does you would always call it merciful.
No matter what God does you would always call it compassionate.
No matter what God does you would always call it loving.
The words mean nothing to you. They're just meaningless descriptors. If God commanded genocide you would call it holy, righteous, just, merciful, compassionate and loving.
That the only reason you are against genocide is because God has not told you to do it. That genocide to you isn't even actually wrong, just forbidden. All that is really wrong to you is doing contrary to what God says.
Unless of course, God orders it. Then it is right.
You're not doing this 'objective' thing right, y'know.
It is not remotely pointless. Intent is not mythical. The reasons why people think the way they do are important. That you consider humanity as mere tools for God and would genocide it if commanded to is important.
Nonsense.
You currently worship a God that you believe will torture people for eternity for not believing a certain way.
You seem apparently willing to reconcile your supposed disdain for torture. How is it unthinkable for me to suppose you would find some way to rationalise genocide?
Would this be the same God who you claim will torture me for eternity because I'm not saved?
Sorry, I'm not sold either. Pull the other one apologist.
Elioenai26 said:Basically yes. Thanks for summing it up for me.
We can sit here and say "what if all day", hypotheticals are not really that great in trying to get your point across.
I would not have a concept of right and wrong if God had not made it possible for me to know the difference.
God would never order genocide, so what is your point again?
Who said humans were mere tools? I certainly did not.
Elioenai26 said:No I do not. I am sorry. You must have me confused with someone else.
I disdain torture as well as genocide.
I know of no such God at all.
So, my point entirely.Elioenai26 said:Basically yes. Thanks for summing it up for me.
I disagree strongly. The may the point precisely. You've already conceded it anyway, so you're splitting hairs. You would call anything God perfect no matter what it was.We can sit here and say "what if all day", hypotheticals are not really that great in trying to get your point across.
This is actually a separate point. You could argue that God provided us for our empathy and our altruism and thus argue he is responsible for our moral standards but this is separate from this discussion. This is about how you would respond if God did something that was morally questionable. You've answered depressingly that you would applaud and carry it out if necessary.I would not have a concept of right and wrong if God had not made it possible for me to know the difference.
You don't get to put limits on God. God could do what he wants and you would approve. This includes genocide. That is my point.God would never order genocide, so what is your point again?
First of all your suggestion of me putting words in your mouth is amusing since you as a matter of habit routinely put words in the mouths of atheists and by extension my mouth.Who said humans were mere tools? I certainly did not.
Untrue. You're on record for attempting to justify the necessity of an eternal hell that includes the permanent torment or torture for non-Christians.No I do not. I am sorry. You must have me confused with someone else.
Except of course, if God does it. #continuingtomissthepointI disdain torture as well as genocide.
Your dishonesty is unbecoming. You cannot just pretend you have not argued for this before.I know of no such God at all.
God ordains genocide and rape. Samuel. Noah.
So you are permitted to dictate what god will and will not do? You order god's actions? God answers to you?
Elioenai26 said:Samuel and Noah??
I am not understanding you.
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