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How do you know that? How do you know that descent with modification occurs outside the boundaries of, say, the genus? Have you ever seen one genus give rise to another? I would LOVE to know how you can infer evolution within families.No. There is no 'descent with modification' except within the family/order of the organism.
How do you know that? How do you know that descent with modification occurs outside the boundaries of, say, the genus? Have you ever seen one genus give rise to another? I would LOVE to know how you can infer evolution within families.
Variation within the kind...yes, but no change from one class of organism into another is ever seen.
to the laws of entropy are all against the formation of life on any world including earth.
Take a quick look at the Gospel of John and see if the Bible really is the 'Word'.2. So says God's Word that all organisms produce offspring after 'its kind'.
1. We have not observed the evolution of, say, dogs from a single canine ancestor. It must therefore be inferred. Evolution within families is inferred the same way it is inferred outside of families (i.e., via homology). So if you're going to say that we can safely infer evolution within families, then the same must necessarily be true of evolution outside of families.1. So says scientific observation.
2. So says God's Word that all organisms produce offspring after 'its kind'.
You do know that Drosophila is a genus, not a family, right? You've essentially deflated your own argument that evolution can occur outside of the genus. You would know that if you had a basic understanding of biology.Now if you can undo the evidence like that of the experiment of 50,000 generations of drosophila flies that produced...guess what(?)...drosophilas...by giving evidence that one organism became a different organism (genetically speaking) then do so. But the fact is you can't. They don't exist.
I could just as easily argue that vertebrates come in many varieties but are still vertebrates. Bilaterians come in many varieties but are still bilaterians. Metazoans come in many varieties but are still metazoans. Life comes in many varieties but it's still life. We must therefore all be descended from a single ancestor.Bats are in many varieties but are still bats. Dogs change but are still dogs. Cats vary but are still cats. Mice vary but are still mice. And bacteria also changes but are still bacteria. There is nothing you can do to change that.
Neither one of those pictures looked alive to me.Calypsis, can you state your laws of entropy in such a way that they can account for this mineral being formed by redox reactions in water?
or this forming from cooling magma?
I have a feeling that your definition of 'entropy' precludes the creation of crystals as well.
Take a quick look at the Gospel of John and see if the Bible really is the 'Word'.
Neither one of those pictures looked alive to me.
As far as crystals I've only seen crystals store information or energy in Sci Fi shows like Star Trek and Stargate.
Now if a volcano spit out Mount Rushmore that would be something.
And the bible said that long before any modern scientists.No, I'm pretty sure I accept Evolution because we have actual scientific evidence for it, and I accept a round earth because we send people into space on a regular basis.
Not true. We disproved that assumption of yours back on page 8.And the bible said that long before any modern scientists.
Look at that picture and compare it to the other planets.
Some one thought about what would be beautiful for life.
Both a dead cell and a living cell has organization. A living cell has to fight against both time and entropy to stay "alive", a rock don't. Science has problems defining "life" yet everyone knows it when they see it.Smid! My man! Could you do me a favor? Could you define 'entropy' for me in such a way that cubic crystals (read: organization) can form from magma (read: chaos) but life cannot become more complex over time?
Both a dead cell and a living cell has organization. A cell has to fight against both time and entropy to stay alive, a rock don't. Science has problems defining "life" yet everyone knows it when they see it.
Entropy can apply to more than just heat as many have noted before.Smid, we were discussing the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (Law of Entropy). If this is truly a law then it must apply to everything, be it animal, vegetable, or mineral.
I've found that most of the definitions Creationists throw around for the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics precludes the creation of crystals in igneous rocks, that's why I was looking for a definition that did not preclude such a thing.
It shouldn't be a surprise, it's natural. But you're assuming, without any basis in fact, that the formation of lipids, carbohydrates, and RNA sequences is impossible. Why? Why is geometric order possible but organic order impossible? What experiment, what law of nature, leads you to this conclusion?Yes, of course. Because nature is geometric itself on the molecular level to begin with. All physical elements are made up of spheres, pyramidial, quadrangular, hexagonal, etc. shapes. Why should this be a surprise?
It wasn't what I asked for. I asked you to define entropy, which should be an easy task if it is a law of nature, right?I have a feeling that your definition of 'entropy' precludes the creation of crystals as well.
What I said above is clear enough.
Take a quick look at the Gospel of John and see if the Bible really is the 'Word'.
I didn't say to take me at my word for anything (though why you'd think I'm untrustworthy is beyond me), I suggested that you take a look at the use of the phrase "the Word" in the Gospel of John and see if you think it's referring to the Bible. Take a look:What a wasted argument. Should I take YOU at your WORD? Why should I believe your WORD? Answer me and then I will tell you why I asked this.
Is the Bible God?KJV said:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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