Youre saying that only True Christians are those who agree with you.
Is this any different than the majority of groups out there.
Do you follow all the laws of Leviticus?
I doubt it
Do you cut your hair?
Wear clothing made of different fabrics?
Allow people with glasses to attend your church?
Keep slaves?
Eat shellfish?
Bring in Deuteronomy, is a lot more 'fun' withs it's rape law (Deut. 22:28-29).
It is interesting how those who dont follow the laws of Leviticus are so willing to inflict cherry picked verses out of this book to attack a minority and defend prejudice and discrimination.
Chalk up another one to human nature.
Even though you personally do not follow the many laws of Leviticus yet you do not seem to have a problem using Leviticus laws to attack a minority. Why?
Using Leviticus to justify prejudice and discrimination has many issues
First we live under a new covenant. Jesus did away with the law and put in place his commandment
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. John 13:34
Promoting or justifying discrimination against a minority is not loving. And no matter how one tries to twist the justification it is an act of hate.
If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20
If you think that Homosexuals have it hard, just look at incestuous couples (the consenting ones where there isn't an abuse of power... not talking about the ones where one would call it rape if it wasn't for the victim being related to the perp.). But yeah... I don't see most people following this new covenant thing in it's entirety.
A further problem is one of translation. Leviticus has many injunctions against engaging in sex specifically carnal knowledge. However carnal knowledge is not used in either Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 the word that is used is shakab. It is popularly translated to mean to lay (lie) with but there is a problem with that translation. Shakab is used 52 times in the old testament and is always used to a sexual encounter typified by deceit or force, in other words, some type of rape.
Shakab Means "Rape" not copulation, not carnal relations
rape.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 means that a man shall not force, or in any way coerce, another man to have sex, in the way that a man is allowed to force sex upon his wife. In other words, man is not allowed to rape a man, it is an abomination.
A man raping a man is no more a description of homosexuality than a man raping a woman is a description of heterosexuality.
Over all, I don't care about verses out of the OT, but you need to remember that there are also verses in the NT, and you should talk about the translation flaws in them as well, else they will just mention them and your back at square one.
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:9-12
therefore dining on crab cakes is an abomination
Quick devil advocate: Moral laws still apply, non-moral don't.
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Actually, I'm not sure how that works, but it is what I'm standardly told.
You can tell you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. -- Anne Lamott
I dont see how you can be a Christian and defend such obvious sins as prejudice and discrimination
Prejudice and discrimination are bitter fruits indeed
But remember, many fruits are not shown online which would be off.
The same argument was presented a generation ago defending discrimination against interracial couples.
Again you are just recycling
I think it is a pretty obvious point. Don't see the application of it, but one marriage has two genders, one has one. Quite obvious, yes, but maybe the guy felt it needed to be pointed out.
The arguments presented in defense of racism are the same as those presented in defense of homophobia
What an argument is used for doesn't change the validity of the argument.
Which is exactly what racists claim they are doing.
You have stated that racists are motivated by hate but when you do exactly the same thing they do you claim a higher motivation for yourself. You do not like the association but I will ask once again: how exactly are they different from you?
Your breaking down into attacks against the usage of the argument, not of it's logic and/or premises.
Racists happily quote the bible and report that fact that racial equality is a sin, something detested by God. Why is your position morally superior to theirs?
And I can quote the Bible to show that child rape is wrong (though it isn't as clearly pointed out as one would assume). Your point that I can back up a personal prejudice (one I feel quite justified in having) with the Bible is to what mean(s)?
An unsupported claim.
Please provide actual published evidence that sexual orientation is not an inborn trait
Why must it be published? Anyways, we have a resident member who stated under their own choice, over an extended length of time, they were able to change their own orientation. Really, all I have seen now is that you can increase what you are sexually attracted to, but not decrease it.
But as for published research, if you look in '40 Studies that Changed Psychology', one covered is how you can 'hypnotize' a reflex, trick it if you will, to respond to stimuli different that what it was originally was set to respond to (though it still will respond to the main one all the same). This includes sexual attraction. You can, if you want, become sexually attracted to strawberries, thought the aspect of choice is obscure being that it isn't an immediate choice, but more like a resolution.
Now that I think about it, it was Plavov's Dogs, or some such name was the original study, though I don't know the names of later ones which came after it.
group A uses the bible to justify prejudice against a minority and group B uses the bible to justify prejudice against a minority. Please explain why either group is morally superior to the other
Because some prejudices are justifiable. If I found someone who was mistreated as a child, always abused by 'colored folk', and never met a nice one, I wouldn't consider him less of a person because he was racist, or even consider him morally inferior. Now, once he has met some nice 'colored folk', and he refused to change in evidence, I would begin to develop some apprehension against him.