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No, if God is the ultimate authority then the way He does things is the way they should be done.
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No, if God is the ultimate authority then the way He does things is the way they should be done.In what way is being responsible predicated on there being someone to hold you responsible? If God is the ultimate authority, then he bears ultimate responsibility.
This is standard Christian teaching: before the Fall Adam and Eve were mentally superior to every human being who would come after them except Jesus. That's why it's called a fall.
No, if God is the ultimate authority then the way He does things is the way they should be done.
The philosophic problem I have with the story is that A & E were set up. God knew they would disobey. He created them with that purpose. Why blame them for disobedience, when they were just acting out the script God had written? I know it's a fable meant to teach a lesson, but it lacks logical coherence.
I've already addressed what this knowledge means. I'm not going to go searching through the thread.Clearly they weren't created superior. They lacked knowledge of good and evil.
Clearly they weren't created superior. They lacked knowledge of good and evil.
The Genesis story is a myth or a fable. It has elements that are mysterious or not easy to understand. I do believe its a divinely revealed story, however. What I take away from it- we came into existence innocent, but lost that innocence and introduced a new relationship with God, one based on religion and covenant rather than direct experience.
No, if God is the ultimate authority then the way He does things is the way they should be done.
Adam and Eve had desires, and they had will (even if it wasn't free in the libertarian sense, which is impossible anyway) in the sense of using it, having volition. They were intentional. An agent doesn't have to be completely independent and spontaneous to be responsible. That's not the issue for justice. Justice is a moral order where certain consequences logically rebound to persons who do certain things.This is how I see it. The Genesis story is similar to the Pandora myth. Its purpose is to teach that bad human choices are responsible for the misery and suffering we see in the world. And I think's that's actually true to a large extent. But where the legend fails is when we introduce the Abrahamic God. Whose qualities of omniscience, omnipotence, and sovereignty lead to the conclusion that A & E really had no choice, but were acting according to God's plan. Which makes God--not human beings--ultimately responsible for what goes on in this world. So we have a logical contradiction. Do you see my point?
Knowledge is experiance not understanding...the way you are using the word is understanding you have no need to experiance wrong to know it is wrong
If He's the only deity He's the only standard.How any particular deity is wouldn't make it the standard for how a deity should be
We just went over why it isn't just.
You've yet to establish this as "fact".
Except, as I pointed out in my previous post, what we have done becomes immaterial to the question of punishment. All that matters is whether one believes in, loves and worships the deity, not whether one made good choices in life.
The problem with this analogy is that it doesn't parallel the Adam and Eve story, for reasons that have already been discussed.
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