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humbledbyhim said:gwynedd1 said:Freedom for Iraq? We are poisoning the country while we "good Christains" demonize Islam.
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Matt 7
1] Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
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I don't support either side, but I will say that any religion that is not about the truth of Jesus Christ is of the Devil. So, no one has to demonize Islam or any other religion. They are all of the devil (whether they are trying to kill people or not) if they don't rely on the truth of Christ. That's not judging, that's the facts.
Agreed!
Scott_LaFrance said:Easy, Hezbullah is a confirmed terrorist organization that started the whole thing by infiltating into Israel and killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers unprovoked. Irael's actions are a legitimate application of self-defense.
Everyone (but you, apparently) knows that Hezbullah is a puppet group for Iran and Syria.
Scott_LaFrance said:Hilter was bent on conquoring and occupying all of Europe. Israel could care less about conquoring the middle East and occupying it. Completely different motivations altogether. It is the Islamofascists that want to conquor and occupy Israel.
You do know that Israel was created by the UN just after WWII, right? They didn't "create" themselves. You might want to try doing some research. YOu act like Hezbollah is some peace loving band of freedom fighters. Their own remarks prove otherwise. They are bloodthirsty savages that deserve every bit of violence that is directed at them, and I hope they get it, with interest compounded.Poke said:Zionists believe Israel has a divine right to all that land that it occupies. It also believes that right extends far beyond the land Israel currently occupies. So, spare me the "completely different motivations" nonsense. Israel wants land.
Every time Israel gets in a military conflict, they immediately start trying to capture land and then holding that land until a cease fire, at which time they refuse to leave. This is just as they're doing now.
Hezbollah drove Isreal out of most of Lebanon a few years ago. Maybe they'll finish the job this time. Lebanon wants terms of a cease fire to include getting back their land.
So its what the UN says then?Scott_LaFrance said:You do know that Israel was created by the UN just after WWII, right? They didn't "create" themselves. You might want to try doing some research. YOu act like Hezbollah is some peace loving band of freedom fighters. Their own remarks prove otherwise. They are bloodthirsty savages that deserve every bit of violence that is directed at them, and I hope they get it, with interest compounded.
Scott_LaFrance said:My point exactly, the UN creates Israel for post-haulocost Jews, then condemns Israel for everything they do to defend the very land they gave them. List me the UN resolutions condemning Hezbollah, Al Quaida, Hamas, the PLO, etc....
One other little tidbit of history isScott_LaFrance said:You do know that Israel was created by the UN just after WWII, right? They didn't "create" themselves. You might want to try doing some research. YOu act like Hezbollah is some peace loving band of freedom fighters. Their own remarks prove otherwise. They are bloodthirsty savages that deserve every bit of violence that is directed at them, and I hope they get it, with interest compounded.
Scott_LaFrance said:My point exactly, the UN creates Israel for post-haulocost Jews, then condemns Israel for everything they do to defend the very land they gave them. List me the UN resolutions condemning Hezbollah, Al Quaida, Hamas, the PLO, etc....
My point exactly, the UN creates Israel for post-haulocost Jews, then condemns Israel for everything they do to defend the very land they gave them.
Ever read one syllable written by Benny Morris, Israel's leading historian on the foundation of the modern State of Israel? Do please take the trouble to read his famous interview with Haaretz, which also reveals Morris' deep-seated racism:Scott_LaFrance said:My point exactly, the UN creates Israel for post-haulocost [sic. - Holocaust] Jews, then condemns Israel [see below] for everything they do to defend [see below] the very land they gave them. List me the UN resolutions condemning Hezbollah, Al Quaida, Hamas, the PLO, etc....
Interviewer: According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?
Morris: About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
Interviewer: According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?
Morris: Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field - they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village - she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.
That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.
The Israelis are not the aggressors here, Hezbollah is. Hezbollah started this without provocation. The Israeli are simply defending their civilians from the incoming rockets.Poke said:Israeli war planes are kept behind civilian neighborhoods, out reach of Hezbollah rockets. Why aren't they cowards?
If you were given control of Hezbollah in this war (not that I think they're centrally controlled), how would your strategy be different?
Every time I ask a question similar to this of a zionist, I get something like "Roll over and die. That would be more than I deserve."
The truth is, it's not Israeli civilians getting killed that zionists object to. What they really object to is anyone defending themselves against Israeli aggression.
There were no "incoming rockets" until Israel decided to launch a full military strike against the whole of southern Lebanon, to date killing 1005 Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah's actions are justifiable under Israeli law and Israeli precedents, and perhaps you can reveal the number of civilians killed in the original Hezbollah raid?biblthmp said:The Israelis are not the aggressors here, Hezbollah is. Hezbollah started this without provocation. The Israeli are simply defending their civilians from the incoming rockets.
The French were not firing rockets into Germany before Hitler invaded.Poke said:Uh, how is Hezbollah like Hitler? Israel, a racial supremacist nation, is the one that invaded a nearly defenseless country. Hezbollah, born in occupation, is more like the French Resistance.
What's different between you defending Israel's deliberate killing of civilians vs. Hitler's killing of civilians in occupied France? "They're hiding among civilians..."
Hezbollah were not firing rockets into Israel until Israel invaded.biblthmp said:The French were not firing rockets into Germany before Hitler invaded.
The Hezbollah was born when the PLO couldn't handle the job of firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon.
Your revision of history is incredible. The kidnapping of 2 IDF soldiers, and the rockets started on the same day, and the Invasion came as a respone to the kidnapping, and rockets.Treppers said:There were no "incoming rockets" until Israel decided to launch a full military strike against the whole of southern Lebanon, to date killing 1005 Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah's actions are justifiable under Israeli law and Israeli precedents, and perhaps you can reveal the number of civilians killed in the original Hezbollah raid?
"Without provocation"?? What do you call the slaughter of innocents in Gaza (which continues apace, though the media doesn't bother to tell us about it) and the continued detention of nine-thousand prisoners, one-thousand of whom are held without charge? I could go into how Israel is the only country in history to have legalised torture, the only country in history to have legalised hostage-taking (you couldn't make it up!) and the only country in history to have legalised home demolitions as collective punishment, but I'll stop here.
I just can't believe what I am reading biblthmp! I'll say what I said again:biblthmp said:Your revision of history is incredible. The kidnapping of 2 IDF soldiers, and the rockets started on the same day, and the Invasion came as a respone to the kidnapping, and rockets.
The Israelis are not the aggressors here, Hezbollah is. Hezbollah started this without provocation. The Israeli are simply defending their civilians from the incoming rockets.
Eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two others captured following a cross-border raid on Wednesday by the militant group Hezbollah — a move that triggered Israeli troops to move into Lebanon.
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