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kimber1 said:
oh gosh yes. still am to some extent. eh, they'll get over it if they're truely friends, if not, well, what can i do? it's not like i'm going to change my mind now. ;)
Awwwwwwww kimber!!!! I'm so sorry you're going through that! I haven't told anybody in my family yet. I haven't even started classes yet. But I surely do expect quite a few of my Baptist family to come over to my house, with their two or three "witnesses" to confront me on what I'm doing. I did tell my best friend, Katie, who is a Roman Catholic and she has been totally supportive and helpful. She even brought me a box full of books to read.

For debiwebi! I haven't had this experience too much on here, but then again, lots of folks didn't like me to start with...therefore, they didn't care what I did! LOL! :) I did get a few pm's from a Protestant that accused me of getting "brainwashed" and warning me that "worshipping Mary" was idolatry, yadda, yadda, yadda....I just ignore it. Who cares what they think???? It's what God thinks of me that matters! :)
 
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marciadietrich said:
Debi,

You might consider just staying in OBOB or on other Catholic ran forums for a while. If you'd like can give you a couple of URL's.

There are a lot of individuals and even groups that that teach Catholics, or at least most Catholics, are not Christian. If you convert you are considered an antiChrist by some people.

Stay here for now, if there are any insults they will be handled and you are among friends. :D

Marcia
I have gone into GA very little since this has started for me. For two reasons...
1) I was a little afraid of the reactions I was going to get and I wanted to sit for a while on it.
2) I do not feel that same need to debate that way anymore. Which to me means I was probably debating for the wrong reasons to begin with.
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3) I in general feel more wanted and safer here

I got involved with that particular thread because of it's content and what the OP was saying and I wanted to build the person up and tell Him not to give up. The person was becoming disheartened with the attitudes of some others and was going to give up on all because of it. So I wanted to help. I was careful though because the person was not Catholic that when I used scriptural reference to help I used scripture that would be common to both of us. This is because I had just read a perfect scripture to use for the person but they would probably not have known it and I did not want to take the chance of getting into a discussion I could not handle yet.
Fot the most part I am just an observer now in there when I peek in. I do not want to do anything that would do more harm than good, and since I have much to learn I realize I might.
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Suzannah said:
Awwwwwwww kimber!!!! I'm so sorry you're going through that! I haven't told anybody in my family yet. I haven't even started classes yet. But I surely do expect quite a few of my Baptist family to come over to my house, with their two or three "witnesses" to confront me on what I'm doing. I did tell my best friend, Katie, who is a Roman Catholic and she has been totally supportive and helpful. She even brought me a box full of books to read.

For debiwebi! I haven't had this experience too much on here, but then again, lots of folks didn't like me to start with...therefore, they didn't care what I did! LOL! :) I did get a few pm's from a Protestant that accused me of getting "brainwashed" and warning me that "worshipping Mary" was idolatry, yadda, yadda, yadda....I just ignore it. Who cares what they think???? It's what God thinks of me that matters! :)
WOW she changed her thingy COOL........
Welcome Suzannah>>>>>>> :hug: :hug:
 
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kimber1 said:
both actually, but then internet friends have a way of becoming just as close as family sometimes.
I agree with this although some people think it a foolish thing. I personally do not need to see the persons face to have a relationship with them. It is just different. It is based actually on something more important because I do not know what they look like. It is based upon who and what they are instead their physical attributes. Since this is the only thing that is taken out of the equation I am forced to get to know them on a more complex level.
 
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nyj said:
Probably (that they talked to you in the first place because of being non-Catholic). MB's are strange places, and I think the adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" often holds sway. So when that friend embraces your enemy... well, we see how that turns out.

Really, if we try to be somewhat objective about it, it is our Catholicism which binds all of us together on this message board. Since we don't come into personal, physical contact with one another (being scattered across the globe like we are) it is upon our faith that we build our friendships*. In real life, depending on where you live, chances are you may have more non-Catholic friends than Catholic friends. That is because you have more things to base a friendship upon though.

So I guess I can envision myself not speaking to someone on the internet anymore because they leave Catholicism. Though, I would say that that would depend equally upon them as well. If they didn't immediately turn on Catholicism, "sending us all to hell" but wanted to maintain friendships, then I would do so. I'd be disappointed at first, but I'd wish them well. If they did start spewing the old "romish bondage" line though, I'm afraid friendship would be tossed out the window.

However, in any case, I'd take a wait and see approach and I certainly wouldn't go out and condemn them immediately upon the announcement of their decision.

*With that said, it has been my experience and observation that the OBOB forum has more fellowship than the counterpart Congregation forum in question. I think that that naturally has allowed us to build deeper relationships with one another "outside of religion". I think that this just proves the communal nature of Catholicism however.
Ok this is where we part ways slightly and where although some of you might think this should not be so important to me it is. I was always taught not to base things on a persons race, religion, ect but on the individual themselves when I am evaluating them. Do I take certain things into account Yes I do and I can understand that some may be upset and disappointed with my personal decision. But my religious denomination is not all of who I am. Just like it is not all of who you are. So I would be disappointed and tell the person that but I would not desert them either because that isn't Christianlike and what if they are just going through a rough time and need some time to see the error of their ways, I want to be able to be there for them too.
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thereselittleflower said:
Well, <chuckle, chuckle> I know how this is :) my husband said much the same thing . . and thought we would have to be remarried, etc . .Even though he knew I was studying the Early Church and then Catholicism, he didn't realize I was looking to become Catholic towards the end of that journey . . when he realized this, it was quite a shock . . and your decision did not have the long research mine did, so your husband may be experiencing even more a sense of shock than mine did . . . well, a few month later he decided to take RCIA to see what it was all about, attend Mass with me and the kids (frmom the first he found out I intended to be Catholic) and now, if can do so, wants to come into the Church this Easter . . but he has doubts he will be ready . . so I keep giving him to our Lord and ask Mary's prayers . .

Just give him time, and pray for him . . :)


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My friend you always seem to be there when I need you. Ever so patient with little ole me too. I hope that things work out well for you as well as me in this. I will pray for you too. I love my Husband very much and I do not want this to become something that tears us further apart. We already have to many things betwen us right now that I am waiting and praying will be over fully in March.
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debiwebi said:
Ok this is where we part ways slightly and where although some of you might think this should not be so important to me it is. I was always taught not to base things on a persons race, religion, ect but on the individual themselves when I am evaluating them. Do I take certain things into account Yes I do and I can understand that some may be upset and disappointed with my personal decision. But my religious denomination is not all of who I am. Just like it is not all of who you are. So I would be disappointed and tell the person that but I would not desert them either because that isn't Christianlike and what if they are just going through a rough time and need some time to see the error of their ways, I want to be able to be there for them too.
I agree Debi, but my point was that... on a religious messageboard sometimes the only thing we have to evaluate people on is their religion.
 
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Awwwwwwww kimber!!!! I'm so sorry you're going through that! I haven't told anybody in my family yet. I haven't even started classes yet. But I surely do expect quite a few of my Baptist family to come over to my house, with their two or three "witnesses" to confront me on what I'm doing. I did tell my best friend, Katie, who is a Roman Catholic and she has been totally supportive and helpful. She even brought me a box full of books to read.
suzannah you're such a sweetie! :hug: yea, i am totally not looking forward to telling my old pastor but i do think i owe him that much respect. 2 deacons have already come visiting wondering where i've been so i really need to go ahead and make that phone call. i'm just kind of chicken at the moment. i know he's not going to take it well but i have to go where i'm called! :) adn congrats to you girl ;)
 
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From nyj: *With that said, it has been my experience and observation that the OBOB forum has more fellowship than the counterpart Congregation forum in question.

Me: I agree with this assessment, completely. The forum for Protestants is rarely peaceful, in my opinion. All the dissession and debate there, and for what???? It is one of the smaller things that led me to investigate all the history and "go for the Truth". My journey now, is just beginning. I feel like I have to start life all over again, becuase everything Protestantism taught me now has to be examined and re-examined, and re-examined and probably thrown out in the end. Here's a quote I really enjoyed from a book I read about the Early Church Fathers, that really touched me and showed me the nature of the internet, more specifically some of the forums here at CF:

Gregory of Nyssa describes the unending theological arguments in Constantinople at the time of the second General Council:
The whole city is full of it, the squares, the market places, the cross-roads, the alleyways; old-clothes men, money changers, food sellers: they are all busy arguing. If you ask someone to give you change, he philosophizes about the Begotten and the Unbegotten; if you inquire about the price of a loaf, you are told by way of reply that the Father is greater and the Son inferior; if you ask "Is my bath ready?" the attendant answers that the Son was made out of nothing.

LOL! :)
 
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nyj said:
I agree Debi, but my point was that... on a religious messageboard sometimes the only thing we have to evaluate people on is their religion.
Nyj
I do know your religious denomination and it is true that we have talked of little else. But I can tell through our communication back and forth certain things about you. Things like you are kind and gentle but anlso discerning when the need arises and although you tend to take a soft approach with it you will not hesitate to tell the person what they need to hear instead of trying to just placate them. All of these things make up you as an individual not your religion. And I got this from discerning how you interact with me. Can you see what I am talking about now? It is possible to see parts of people even on a message board and that is what I was trying to say. Please do not be offended my friend
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debiwebi said:
I do know your religious denomination and it is true that we have talked of little else. But I can tell through our communication back and forth certain things about you. Things like you are kind and gentle but anlso discerning when the need arises and although you tend to take a soft approach with it you will not hesitate to tell the person what they need to hear instead of trying to just placate them. All of these things make up you as an individual not your religion. And I got this from discerning how you interact with me. Can you see what I am talking about now? It is possible to see parts of people even on a message board and that is what I was trying to say. Please do not be offended my friend
I see what you're saying Debi, and I'm not offended. Rather, I think you give me too much credit. :) Thank you.

I see your point, and I can agree with it.
 
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debiwebi said:
Ok this is where we part ways slightly and where although some of you might think this should not be so important to me it is. I was always taught not to base things on a persons race, religion, ect but on the individual themselves when I am evaluating them. Do I take certain things into account Yes I do and I can understand that some may be upset and disappointed with my personal decision. But my religious denomination is not all of who I am. Just like it is not all of who you are. So I would be disappointed and tell the person that but I would not desert them either because that isn't Christianlike and what if they are just going through a rough time and need some time to see the error of their ways, I want to be able to be there for them too.
In Christ
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Debiwebi . . . I know that some would say, "this is only a chat board" and dismiss the relations that can be built here as something less than in real face to face life . . (and I am not saying that anyone here is really saying that, just that I have run across it on other forums), but there are real people behind these icons and names, with real feelings and personalities . . and what you are saying is very true . . we relate to each other on a different level because we can't see each other . . we don't judge each other on the physical looks, etc . . we only have what is presented here . .

Something to think about . . the friends you made who are now attacking you for your decision may have become your friends as a protestant for different reasons than you became their friend . . that they saw, in their anit-catholic stance, a like-minded soul and so someone worthy of befriending . . when you ended up no longer being "like-minded" they feel betrayed . . and in reality, you may not have been really as like-minded as they thought . . you have crossed the "line" and this is abhorrent to them . . . where if one of them had crossed this "line" instead of you, you probably would not have reacted the same way . .because your basis for friendship was not the same . .

As has been suggested, give them time .. the ones who are really friends will work this out and still be there . .the ones who are not really friends will not . . but still pray for them .. you never know when they also, to the shock and dismay of their friends, will cross this "line" like you did. :)


All of us who have converted have experienced this .. we have found something so joyous that we want to share it with our friends and help them see how wrong we all had been about Catholicism . . and because we are friends we think they will at least listen . . then we find that we are wrong . . our friendship many times is not enough to get them to really hear us and to see things differently . . and a line gets drawn by them between them and us and their relationships with us undergo a change, we are not treated the same, we are not "friends" like we used to be .. And even family begins to treat us differently . . our decision is not understood, they think we are going into error, they think we are turning our back on God even .. we are treated as somehow being less by some simply because we are now becoming Catholic . .

It is very real . . it can cut very deeply in our hearts . . we are still the same person we were before we made this decision .. but we are no longer treated by some we love, care about and have been friends with because they don't see us any longer as being the same person . . prejudices and biases are strong and now we are the recipient of what they engender in one who holds them . .

And we may be completely surpised by who it is . . one we may not ever suspect will be the one who has the biggest problem with our decision . . one of my brothers, the one I thought for sure would understand and have no problem at all (and I have a catholic friend who knows him and thought the same thing) is the one who thinks I may be going to hell now . . I was completely shocked . .

It costs something to follow the Lord . . and it can really cost something to follow Him into the fullness of faith in Catholicism . . there are still costs you will have to confront yet as you move into the fullness of truth and into full communion with the Catholic Church . . sometimes you may be tempted to think the costs are not worth it . . do not let this rob you of what God has for you! :)

And I want to add that even so, we as converts can still feel very connected to our Protestant background and our Protestant friends for quite some time . . and this feeling of "connectedness" only accentuates how much such actions and attitudes affect us . . :)


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kimber1 said:
suzannah you're such a sweetie! :hug: yea, i am totally not looking forward to telling my old pastor but i do think i owe him that much respect. 2 deacons have already come visiting wondering where i've been so i really need to go ahead and make that phone call. i'm just kind of chicken at the moment. i know he's not going to take it well but i have to go where i'm called! :) adn congrats to you girl ;)

Thanks!!! :hug: But I am so not looking forward to that same day! My pastor is soooooooooo not going to understand this! He's a really nice, wonderful guy, but this is one thing I think he just will not understand! I think my mother will actually be okay with it....she's a very sweet woman who thinks we should all just "trust Jesus" in everything. I think she will be happy for me. But everyone else..uhhhhhhhhhh can I borrow your riot gear when you're done???? LOL!
 
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:eek: You know while I am getting upset about this I forgot all about MY MOTHER. :eek:
OOPS Oh well she wouldn't be happy anyway unless I was a Jehovah's Wittness. I have to tell her sometime I know but I am a complete chicken. I can wait a little longer on that one. The rest of my family will be overjoyed. They are all Catholic.
:sigh: Oh well got do what we have to do.
 
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debiwebi said:
:eek: You know while I am getting upset about this I forgot all about MY MOTHER. :eek:
OOPS Oh well she wouldn't be happy anyway unless I was a Jehovah's Wittness. I have to tell her sometime I know but I am a complete chicken. I can wait a little longer on that one. The rest of my family will be overjoyed. They are all Catholic.
:sigh: Oh well got do what we have to do.
Perhaps (not saying that this is a definite possibility or anything like that) your conversion might stir something in your mother that will bring about her return to the Catholic Church too.

That being said, I've heard that the JW atmosphere is very much one of control, so some definite hard praying is in order.
 
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Ok I have to tell you all something because I see that someone is using a previous quote of mine as a signature. So I am taking my responsibility for it.
Way back when this first happened and I was very angry over some things, some of which I cannot post publicly because I would be breaking forum rules, I said something really bad. Please keep in mind this was in the beginning when I was still in the process of trying to ask you all questions that were designed to find fault at first not actually find the truth, it changed along the line. And that is what kept me asking.
"You see they shouldn't call this Christian forums they should call it Catholic forums."
that is the direct quote. I am truly sorry now that I ever said but I wanted you all to see it and know that it is me and I am sorry. Chalk it up to ignorance at the time. Oh this is horrible I feel as if I have betrayed you all even though I did it before. I don't know what to say except I am sorry.
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Shelb5 said:
On what basis do they 'hate' the Orthodox Church? Because the reasons we mainly here are all pope related reasons. What are the general complaints you hear against the EO Church?
:wave:

It depends on how much they know about us. If they don't know much, or if they assume we're the same as Catholics, I've been subjected to arguments going against the Pope and whatnot. (Looks like if they could do so much research on the Magisterium, they could do a tiny bit more research to find out who the Orthodox are. :rolleyes: )

However, once they learn a little bit about us, the main arguments I've heard are these:

1. We "worship" Mary.

2. We "worship" icons.

3. We "engage in necromancy" by praying through the saints.

4. We're "not open to anyone who isn't Greek or Russian". (I guess that leaves out all the Serbs and Antiochians, eh? For the record, I'm of Northern and Western European descent and have no ancestors from traditionally Orthodox nations.)

5. Our worship is "all pomp and circumstance, just empty ritual". (I find it hysterically funny when we're accused of empty ritualism by people who believe baptism and the Eucharist are only symbolic. :D FTR, I felt more "spirit" at ONE Divine Liturgy than I had felt going to a year's worth of interdenominational revival-type worship meetings, combined.)

6. Mouth disease must be rampant among us for taking communion out of a common spoon!

And last, but not least...

7. Why the hell do Orthodox kiss everything so much?!

If I think of any more, I'll add them. This is just what I could think of right off the bat.
 
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debiwebi said:
Ok I have to tell you all something because I see that someone is using a previous quote of mine as a signature. So I am taking my responsibility for it.
Way back when this first happened and I was very angry over some things, some of which I cannot post publicly because I would be breaking forum rules, I said something really bad. Please keep in mind this was in the beginning when I was still in the process of trying to ask you all questions that were designed to find fault at first not actually find the truth, it changed along the line. And that is what kept me asking.
"You see they shouldn't call this Christian forums they should call it Catholic forums."
that is the direct quote. I am truly sorry now that I ever said but I wanted you all to see it and know that it is me and I am sorry. Chalk it up to ignorance at the time. Oh this is horrible I feel as if I have betrayed you all even though I did it before. I don't know what to say except I am sorry.
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:hug: God Bless, Debi, no problem. We all say things that we later want to take back. No harm done, I am glad that God has brought you home.
 
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