Not wanting to debate or anything. Just have a question. Is there any mention of the Ice Age in the Bible? And if so, where?
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Ice Age?
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I don't recall reading about them in the Bible but there have been many "ice ages" in the past.
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/
The Frumious Bandersnatch
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/
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Would people in Israel back then even have known what ice looked like? Sure it snows there on occasion, but the ground and open water does not feeze, and the snow melts in a few hours. The ancient Hebrews would not have even been able to relate to the concept of glaciers and frozen landscapes.
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You guys are assuming that all Christians on the board are YECs. Not true. Some of us are old earth progressive creationists who understand that the ice age, dinosaurs, and what have you, occurred many years before the Bible days of Adam. So why would the Bible talk about an ice age??
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I would think possibly because humans seemed to have started getting organized around the time of the end of the ice age. But if adam and eve were only 6000 years ago, then I guess it probably wouldnt talk about the Ice age.
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No, JohnR7 seems to be some sort of OEC, though maybe a different sort than you are. However, an attitude I see here and over and over in other places is that YECs seem to think that those who don't accept a 6,000 - 10,000 year old earth and recent worldwide flood can't possibly be true Christians since they are so sure that the only correct interpretation of the Bible requires YEC. Haven't you already been called an evil atheist on some thread here?
There are also Christians here who accept evolution. I don't expect that they have any trouble with multiple ice ages either or with ice ages not being mentioned in the Bible. The YECs do have problems with multiple ice ages since there really isn't time for even one proper ice age, let alone several in the 4,500 years since the alleged global flood. YECs reject so much other obvious evidence for an old earth and against a global flood that it is not surprising that they reject the massive evidence for multiple ice ages. IMO if someone is going to be a YEC they must already reject so much scientific evidence that they might as well go whole hog and be a geocentric YEC like Gerardus Bouw and Malcolm Bowden of True Origins but that's another story.
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I would think possibly because humans seemed to have started getting organized around the time of the end of the ice age.
JEP: I see your point. The deal is that many of us interpret the Bible quite differently than the YECs do. Progressive creationists, for the most part, combine what we glean from the Bible with what we learn from science. A pre-adamic race is paramount in those beliefs. Adam was the first man of this race, but other races seem to go back 300,000 years or so before Adam.
JEP: I see your point. The deal is that many of us interpret the Bible quite differently than the YECs do. Progressive creationists, for the most part, combine what we glean from the Bible with what we learn from science. A pre-adamic race is paramount in those beliefs. Adam was the first man of this race, but other races seem to go back 300,000 years or so before Adam.
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Some theories ive heard are that Adam and Eve werent the start of the human race, but the start of gods "Pet project" group. That god created Man, and then created a man and women for his garden, that didnt work out, but god still payed attention to them.
Which is why the bible never says anything about the americas or native americans, as they werent from gods "pet project."
Which is why the bible never says anything about the americas or native americans, as they werent from gods "pet project."
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I ask because someone once told me there's a verse in psalms referring to an ice age, which according to them, would be right after the flood.
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JohnR7
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I am not sure I am fully support any of the theorys. No one theory seems to have enough evidence to show that the others are not true. Maybe there is some sort of truth in all of them.
It is a little bit hard for me to accept that things happened in a 24 hour day. But if a day were 1000 years, then that gives a little bit of time for things to take place.
There is pretty strong evidence here in Ohio for an "Ice Age". If you go to Kelly Islands on Lake Erie, where they have the Glacial Grooves State Memorial, you will see a rather large and spectaclular example of glacial grooves.
It is a little bit difficult for me to imagine that the Glacial Ice picked up all that rock and dirt and pushed it over 200 miles to the south in a 24 hour period of time. There seems to be no question that the foothills in sourthern Ohio, was made out of dirt and rock that use to be up around Lake Erie.
http://www.kelleysislandchamber.com/glacial_grooves/glacial_grooves.htm
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JohnR7
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9th April 2003 at 11:43 PM Arikay said this in Post #12
Some theories ive heard are that Adam and Eve werent the start of the human race,
There is no question that Adam and Eve were real people, and there was a real Garden of Eden 6000 years ago in the Tigris Euphrates River basin area. This was very furtile farm land at the time, along with the Nile river delta. The current theory is that the Garden of Eden was in Turkey, but some believe that it was in Iraq.
We do know that the place where Noah began his journey on the Ark is the only place in the world where you will find wheat growing in the wild. Where the Ark landed is the area historically where wheat and barley first became cultivated. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so. It is just another scientific and historical evidence that the story of Noah and the ark is real.
Now with DNA research, they feel that Europe was populated with 80% of the people being "prehistoric" hunters & food gathers. Along with 20% of the new comer, the more "civilized" farmer hurdsmen, that most likely slowly migrated to Europe from the Iraqi area.
The first people to develop iron were the Hittites in Turkey about 4000 years ago. They also developed the first wheel made out of wood and metal, that was pretty much unchanged right up to the early 1900's when Harvey Firestone developed the first tire out of rubber. Firestone, Edison & Ford were good friends and the three of them changed our world quite a bit.
My wife has been watching that Bachelor program on TV, where Firestones grandson is looking for a wife.
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JohnR7
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The history books I have been reading says that food producers have only been around in Eastern America for about 1000 years or so. If as they believe that food production began in the furtile cresent around 6000 years ago. Then it took almost 5000 years for them to get to the eastern part of American. Before that, everyone was a hunter, food gatherer.
In the area I live in, the Amish or Mennonites (Germans) were actually the first food produces to dwell here. They adopted the crops from the old world, to grow here in this part of the new world.
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Didn't the people who were to become Native Americans arrived over the Bering land bridge around 10,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age? I don't think that food production migrated from Mesopotamia to Eastern America, because the next contact Europeans/Asians had with Americans was (discounting brief Viking forays) a few hundred years ago when explorers sailed to the Americas.
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