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I try not to get too upset......it's just when i put on that Celtic Punk music.......it's the bagpipes!! Have to keep that off while on CF. Just runs too deep in my blood.

Great Scott!

I can see how the pipes could do that.

HA HA HA

Forgive me...
 
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simonthezealot

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But, we have to realize that some people express their thoughts in very rude and disrespectful ways. It’s not okay for anybody of any faith to do this..
In order to prevent this maybe you could site some previous examples in context?
 
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Great Scott!

I can see how the pipes could do that.

HA HA HA

Forgive me...
completely off topic, Ortho, but have I ever told you how much I look forward to meeting you in person?

It will be nice to shake the hand (or however you greet in heaven!) of a staunch defender of faith.
 
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What I tend to appreciate most, I missed in you.
My bad.

I meant you were dealing with grandiose religious affection in others, not yourself, sis. Sorry if I was vague.
Okay, but I wasn't offended by anything you said. But, I clearly misunderstood you! Sorry.
 
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Josiah,

As usual you have outdone yourself in your articulation of your thoughts. I understand what you are saying, true people are going to be offended sometimes in spite of our intention. But, when one's intentions are obvious to the majority, it makes a difference. Disagreements can be voiced respectfully, and as Christians we should always try to do this. But, because we are human this is sometimes easier said than done. Will this guarantee that nobody will be offended? No. I think sometimes people are offended when thoughts are tactfully and logically presented, simply because what is said makes sense and can't be argued with in the same logical mode.
 
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Is it okay for Catholics to say that Protestants are being "disrespectful" toward Our Blessed Lady (as several at CF have to me, publicly and privately)?
And, thus the second half of my request---for those devoted to Mary not to mistake our disagreement for disrespect and hate.
 
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Respecting Mary has nothing to do with Jesus.

If you respect your pastor does that mean you are disrespecting Jesus?
no.... but We've never called our Pastor Sinless, Co-Redeemer, etc...

that is were the perceived slight to Christ is.
 
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no.... but We've never called our Pastor Sinless, Co-Redeemer, etc...

that is were the perceived slight to Christ is.
Your pastor is a co-redeemer to you if he brings you the Gospel & points you towards Jesus.

As for being sinless, do you honestly think God would bring himself into the world by a sinners bdy if he were to be a lamb without a blemish?
 
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Your pastor is a co-redeemer to you if he brings you the Gospel & points you towards Jesus.

As for being sinless, do you honestly think God would bring himself into the world by a sinners bdy if he were to be a lamb without a blemish?
I'm sure my Pastor would laugh to hear that!
I think you are using a very oversimplified reasoning regarding Co-redeemer... one that is attributed only to Mary in the RCC.... have you asked why, if what you say is true?

as for the secnd part, sure, why not? What prohibits this?
 
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And, thus the second half of my request---for those devoted to Mary not to mistake our disagreement for disrespect and hate.


I am not offended, by Protestant disagreements on the Catholic Church's teaching on Mary, or anyone of the contested Catholic teachings. As someone raised Protestant, I can relate.

It's terminology, like Mary worshippers, statue kissers, harlot of Babylon...etc...that I think is extereme, and moves the debate from a discussion on differences on doctrinal, to one of slanderous speech.

And to be fair, I have sit on this side of the screen and just cringed, with some of the Catholic behaivor as well....if someone, on both sides of the debate, can't state their case, without name calling. Then maybe, it's time to remove themselves from the debate, and spend time in prayer.

BTW, great thread.

Peace be with you....Pam
 
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Well, thats all it is. The Catholic term of co-redeemer and the protestant term co-redeemer are two different things. Maybe you should stop reading anti-Catholic hate propaganda and read what the RCC really teaches about these things.

I suggest you read "The Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church" which is a shorter summary of the CCC. It's a book you can get through in a week and you'll know what the RCC really believes & teaches.

And yes, God has protected Mary from original sin because she was part of the plan of salvation. Even though this was not recorded in the Bible (as many things were not, for example, the Tradition of December 25th as Christs birthday - a Tradition even Protestants adhere to) it was believed and taught by the Church up until the protestant revolt.
 
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What a great reminder from the OP.

Listener, can I ask you a personal favor?
Would you please stop with this type provocation:

"Maybe you should stop reading anti-Catholic hate propaganda..."

C'mon, man... you want to be spoken to that way?

Your Catechism is online. We can access it anytime, ... 'Cliff Notes' on it would be nice, but the official source is more impressive to quote from.
 
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Listener, can I ask you a personal favor?
Would you please stop with this type provocation:

"Maybe you should stop reading anti-Catholic hate propaganda..."

C'mon, man... you want to be spoken to that way?

Stop persecuting me!


 
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I'm sure my Pastor would laugh to hear that!
I think you are using a very oversimplified reasoning regarding Co-redeemer... one that is attributed only to Mary in the RCC.... have you asked why, if what you say is true?
UB,
I don't think your Pastor would laugh' I think he would more likely cringe, and then gladly and quickly give any and all credit to Our God.

Once again any type of co-redeemer verbage, really to me denies the nature in which the blood of Christ was shed on the cross.
 
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Just out of curiosity Listener, do you
believe that there were any erroneous
teachings in the church before the
protestant revolt?

An honest question, hoping for an honest
answer.
sunlover
 
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