i will pay $$

[fisherma]

This is a real deal - If anyone can provide any real hard proof for the origin of the universe I will pay them $25. I am writing a persuasive essay about this issue and am currently undecided about it.

if you have PayPal I will pay for real facts.

 

[lithium.]

Today at 12:29 AM fisherma said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652315#post652315)

This is a real deal - If anyone can provide any real hard proof for the origin of the universe I will pay them $25. I am writing a persuasive essay about this issue and am currently undecided about it.

if you have PayPal I will pay for real facts.

Sorry but no one in this world can give you proof, because there is none. There is only evidence. We can give you evidence that shows that there was a big bang, but we can't give you proof and never will be able to. Scientific theories never have proof.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

My Hovind-sense is tingling.

 

[fisherma]

uhmm... i see. I was really trying to get something outstanding to prove either side but I guess there is none!

 

We can give you evidence that shows that there was a big bang

but i could always benefit from some opinions. So what do you have for me?

 

[fisherma]

My Hovind-sense is tingling.

yea but that guy just pays to well !

 

[lithium.]

Today at 12:35 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652333#post652333)

My Hovind-sense is tingling.

lol

 

[lithium.]

Today at 12:38 AM fisherma said this in Post #4 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652339#post652339)

uhmm... i see. I was really trying to get something outstanding to prove either side but I guess there is none!

 

but i could always benefit from some opinions. So what do you have for me?

Here is one of the places that shows the evidence for the big bang...

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#BBevidence

 

[fisherma]

Thanks seesaw, whoa thats a lot of information. Now I am going to try to deciper this into plain english

 

[Arikay]

well, you cant Prove either side. However, if you want something outstanding, start asking questions.

The word I think you are looking for is evidence, not opinions.

Today at 09:38 PM fisherma said this in Post #4 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652339#post652339)

uhmm... i see. I was really trying to get something outstanding to prove either side but I guess there is none!

 

but i could always benefit from some opinions. So what do you have for me?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 12:29 AM fisherma said this in Post #1

This is a real deal - If anyone can provide any real hard proof for the origin of the universe I will pay them $25. I am writing a persuasive essay about this issue and am currently undecided about it.  

There are two sides to the issue. First you have Archdeacon William Paley's who argues that the universe had to have a Designer. Then you have Charles Darwin, who spent most of his life trying to prove Paley wrong.

What Darwin does is he takes truth, and then he will twist it into a lie. This then became known as Darwin's Folly as coined by Darwin's professor of Geology at Cambridge Prof. Adam Sedgwick. Professor Sedgwick was impressed with Darwin, and felt the Darwin would leave his mark on science. But he was not impressed with Darwins theory of origions. Sedgwick felt that it would do great damage to humanity and sink mankind into it's lowest grade of degradation that it had ever been in, sense the beginning of recorded history. That is pretty much where we are at today. We live in a time that is as the days of Noah before the flood and we are as the days of Sodom.

We now live in a Neo=Darwin age and today Dr Phillip JOhnson  leads debate on the side of "Intellegent design". Although William saw the Designer of the universe as more of a artist. Professor Johnson has written the books" "Darwin on Trial" & "Reason in the Balance".

So the earlyer Darwin vs Paley debate or the contempory Neo Darwinism vs Intellegent design argued by Phillip Johnson, would be a good place to start. Sense this is where Darwin felt he had to focus all of his energy to disprove a Designer and to try and offer an alternative theory for design.




 

 

[Taffsadar]

Today at 11:25 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #10

There are two sides to the issue. First you have Archdeacon William Paley's who argues that the universe had to have a Designer. Then you have Charles Darwin, who spent most of his life trying to prove Paley wrong.  
 

Oddly enough Darwin kept his discovery secret for a very long time before making it official as he knew he would be heavily attacked by the church...

He was also a christian and had other people handling the debate as his skills lay in biology not agitation.

 

[notto]

Today at 11:25 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #10 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652621#post652621)

There are two sides to the issue. First you have Archdeacon William Paley's who argues that the universe had to have a Designer. Then you have Charles Darwin, who spent most of his life trying to prove Paley wrong.

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First of all, Darwin never said much about the universe or its origins.
Second of all, he saw the hand of God in the creative process of evolution.

Can you give us any source that shows Darwins views on the creation of the universe? Can you show us any source that shows that Darwin did not believe that creation was from God?

He did have some problems with the Bible and the Christian church, but he never indicated that he did not believe in a "designer" for the universe and the laws that affected what he was studying. He simply showed with his theories that a designer was not necessary at every step of the way molding every animal we see.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 06:43 AM Taffsadar said this in Post #11

Oddly enough Darwin kept his discovery secret for a very long time before making it official as he knew he would be heavily attacked by the church...

He was also a christian and had other people handling the debate as his skills lay in biology not agitation.

Darwin was never a christian and never claimed to be. He did go to one of the best christian schools, and he did have some of the best christian teachers available. That is why he was so effective and knew exactly what he was coming out against.

Darwin took truth and twisted it into a lie. A common methoid of satan, you see it from the beginning. The Bible exposes satan and all of his attempts at deception.

That is why Darwin has been proven to be false and the people he argued against have been proven to be true. So followers of Darwin have had to replace Darwin's "theory" with a modern post Darwinism or Neo-Darwinism.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 10:19 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #13 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652840#post652840)
That is why Darwin has been proven to be false and the people he argued against have been proven to be true. So followers of Darwin have had to replace Darwin's "theory" with a modern post Darwinism or Neo-Darwinism.

John, do you actually know what Darwin proposed? Have you actually read Origin?

 

[Nathan David]

Instead of paying me $25, how about paying Amazon $24.50 for The Universe in a Nutshell by Stephen Hawking.

How many semesters of calculus do you have? You'll need it.

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JohnR7, you appear to have some misconceptions about Charles Darwin. He did not do any work on the origin of the universe. His field was biology. And he did not twist facts into lies. I don't know what his personal religious beliefs were originally, but I know he was moving towards agnosticism later in life. An Englishman of his class would have been brought up in the Church of England but I don't know how committed he was to it in adulthood.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 10:25 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #14

John, do you actually know what Darwin proposed? Have you actually read Origin?

I have not read that much of it, why would I need to? There is enough Neo-Darwinism splattered all over the place that I would not have to go back to the origional source.

Sooner or later the truth and the error are going to have to be seperated out.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 10:33 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #16 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652860#post652860)

I have not read that much of it, why would I need to?

I dunno. Maybe to lend credibility to your position? Maybe, so when you make statements like, "Darwin has been proven to be false", you won't sound quite so much like you're spouting off empty, meaningless rhetoric?

 

[notto]

Today at 03:19 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #13 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=652840#post652840)

Darwin was never a christian and never claimed to be.

Darwin was a Christian until he was forty. He began to doubt the literal translation of Genesis as the literal word of God and later doubted the Gospels.

He doubted the bible and Christianity but never doubted that a creator was responsible for what we see in nature. If you would actually read Origin and his other works, you would find many references to the creator.

He would probably be best categorized in his later years as an agnostic or a deist, but he was never an atheist. He started out as a Christian and his examination of the Creation stories and the gospels led him away from a literal translation of the bible and caused him to doubt that Jesus was the son of God (but he never stated that he did not believe a God existed).

 

[ikester7579]

Here's a link for you: www.creationevidence.org Make sure to click on museum displays. This guy is also building a bio sphere to do his tests in and prove his theories.

 

[Eddie]

The workings of a sad man. Check this link. members.aol.com/paluxy2/hammer.htm

I always makes me shake my head in wonder when a person cannot see the magesty of God in the complexity of His work and feels, pridefully, that if he cannot understand it it cannot be. I also smell the taint of money.

Be very watchful of those that make money on these teachings.