I want you all to use logic to prove to me that God exists

[FutureAndAHope]

So I want you guys to do that. Use logic to prove your god exists.

Logically if God exists he will still comunicate with us. Below are example of times God has communicated with me.

One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.

Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bizaar and "A-meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bizaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "A-meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the captors to release Douglas Wood because he had gone to a/or the Bazaar and bought food for homeless people and had provided them with "A-meal". I believe God saw this action too and blessed Douglas Wood with an escape from his captors.

One time I thought about suing some one but felt bad about it because I did not want to give a bad impression about what a Christian is like. So I prayed and asked God to show me clearly what to do. Latter that day I opened my bible at random, selecting a random verse and it opened to 1Co 6:7 "Nay, already it is altogether a defect in you, that ye have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather take wrong? why not rather be defrauded?" So I knew what God was thinking, no lawsuit. From this I do not believe God was saying the legal system is wrong just this particular action.

At one point in my life I was praying for scientific cures for illnesses like cancer. Because I was on a science kick I thought would it not be fun to create a real life dinosaur. I wanted Jesus just for fun to show me how to create a Real Live Dinosaur, he can show us anything you know if he wants, but when I asked him how to start recreating a Dinosaur. Jesus spoke into my head the sentence "bood", a term I had never heard before. I decided to look it up on the Internet and I found out the following: You see, the children of Semai are taught from an early age, the concept of "bood." If a parent asks a child to do something and the child replies " bood," it means in other words, "I don't feel like doing that," and the matter is closed. Bood means gently No.

One day I was witnessing to a Muslim and he asked me why we ate pork. I used the verse out of the bible which says "It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of the mouth". After some general discussion I finished for the night. I asked God to give me a verse from the bible to encourage me. I opened the bible at random and selected a random verse. It opened to the exact same verse that I had used with the Muslim. The one about food not defiling. So I knew that God was approving of what I had been talking about.

Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing and benefits those who see the sun. - Ecc 7:11 I have always considered it wise to seek God for every thing in life. By this I do not mean "God, what should I eat" or "what should I wear". Not small insignificant things but things that matter. God cares about the things that we see as significant, things that are important to us. There was a point in my life where I was single, unmarried and constantly bombarded by the worlds system of doing things, a system to which I was diametrically opposed. I wanted to find a partner, but was not really sure how to go about it. By trade I am a computer programmer so the Internet was very familiar to me. So I tried internet dating. I remember getting to a point of meeting quite a few people but not really fully clicking with any of them. So I prayed and said out of all the thousands of people that are online in the world there must be some one who could make a good partner for me. So I deliberately listened for God’s voice, and prayed once. The word “Grace” entered my mind. So I typed “Grace” into the search box (that was used to search for profiles). The first profile to come up was of Ru Chen. I had been contacted by Ru Chen once, but we were unable to send messages to one another over the site for some unknown reason. So I tried to contact her again, but again with no success. Some time latter Ru was able to contact me using an email I had sent to her when she had first contacted me, after chatting online for some weeks we decided to meet. We went out together to the movies and just eating out, and seeing each other for some time. Eventually we decided to marry. We went out and bought a ring. Some months latter we got married.

This is a story of God working between me an my wife to get his point accross. One night I was laying on my bed and the verse of scripture came into my mind "With patience possess your souls". Latter that week my wife called me into the bedroom where she was reading the bible not knowing anyting about what I had heard said to me "this is a verse you will like", a thing she never has done before. It was Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near.Jas 5:7-8 It was not that I was not being patient, for I was, when talking to my mother about it we both felt it ment, the coming of the LORD is near means his intervention in our lives is near. When we are patient we reap a harvest of his blessing given time. So by faith I believe some time, sooner or latter God will do something if we just wait patiently and obediently for him to act, even if it is his final salvation on his return.

I was praying for all Muslum countries on the 27 of Febuary, and specifically for the president of Iran, which I do whenever I pray for them. That God might bring them to salvation that can only be found in the Love and mercy of Jesus Christ. Like the bible says there is no other name given under heaven or earth by which man can be saved. I went into the kitchen, and asked the LORD for a verse of scripture for him, I opened the bible up to a verse, It was quite condemning, so I said LORD you must be able to have more mercy than that. So I opend up the bible again and it opened to "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14. I was not sure if either of the verses were for him, so I did not send anything. The next day I was having a break from work and thought of him again. So I prayed LORD do you have anything that I can send to bless him with. This time I was on the computer so I used my electronic bible, a different one to the night before. I randomly selected a verse, not looking at where I was choosing and it rested on the exact same verse I had received the night before. "Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the LORD God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is." - Amo 5:14 So I knew God had chosen that verse for him. So I sent him the verse of scripture and an encouragement to seek Jesus.

 

[The Fourth Horseman]

To use “Logic” we need to start where we agree and work from there:

Can we agree:
1. Something does not come from nothing?

2. What is “proof” to one person may not be enough “proof” for another person, so what we are looking for is the most logical alternative at this time?

3. Do you agree with the concept: “The more we know the more we realize we do not know?”

4. Do we not need to come up with a way to explain the “apparent” existence of “intelligent” design in the universe and especially with life?

5. If there is a benevolent God and there is a good logical beneficial reason for at least some humans not to have “proof” of His existence, than this God would not provide “proof” of His existence to those people?

6. If something had to be around forever than that something would be intelligent or unintelligent and if unintelligent there would have to be a system or way for that unintelligent something to show signs of really intelligent behavior to create our fine tuned universe and life. Is that even logically possible and if so explain the logic and support showing that logic?

7. Is there a problem with matter, energy and gravity always existing?

8. Atheist sometimes try to suggest that we are just one of an infinite number of universes, but what, how and why create all these universes (that machine makes universes)?

9. Is our universe cycling recreating itself and if you think so what are the limiting factors to cycling back to big bangs and is our expansion rate not increasing beyond reversal?

1. Except God, hes the one exception to the cause and effect rule, correct?
2.Basically: I might start pulling stuff out of my ass so just go with it.
3.Yes, and what does that have to do with God existing?
4. It's called evolution? It's been around for awhile, a lot of peopel have done some pretty good studies on it. Pretty sound litte theory, don't knwo why so many people have problems with it...
5.Err....What?
6. If something isn't not isn't maybe not potenitally not being not isn't existing, is it existing? (Could you word it anymore awkwerdly?)
7. Depends, some say there is an infintie cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches constantly cycling energy in and out of usable and unusable forms. Who knows?
8. Why does anything exist at all? If one simply assumes God must exist than your statement is valid but that would be problematic since we're tryign to prove God exists.
9. The Universe can never expand beyond a point of reversal because:
a.) It is proven to be finite
b.)Gravity has been proven to exist
c.)Since the universe is finite it has a central point
d.) Gravity asserts that all matter will eventually pull itself into that central point (Newton himself assured this would happen in a finite universe)
e.) ergo the Big Crunch is inevitable and it is not entirely unlikley that a Big Bang would follow soon after.

 

[Yekcidmij]

a.) It is proven to be finite

That's not correct. It might be, but that is only one possibility, and it certainly hasn't been proven in any scientific sense, and there is a good chance that it's impossible to prove one way or another since it's impossible to "see" beyond a certain horizon due to the speed of light.

c.)Since the universe is finite it has a central point

That's not correct. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the geometry of spacetime.

e.) ergo the Big Crunch is inevitable and it is not entirely unlikley that a Big Bang would follow soon after.

That view has been abandoned. The dominant view in physics now is that the universe will expand indefinitely at an ever increasing rate and eventually will reach thermodynamic equilibrium.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

1 Corinthians 1:18: "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

2 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."

Romans 1:18-20: "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

 

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