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In the name of F'n Oden! I've heard this before. Ugh, it answers questions a Christian would have not someone who doesn't know whether to believe in a possibly false god!
Alright . . . well I have a lot of people to answer . . .
Zeena: If "god" loves me so much why does it claim I go to hell when I die. What peace can this Jesus offer me?
I not only seek reason but answers . . . I know this is such a common thing by non-believers but I cannot settle for the answers handed to me by any religion it seems.
Either way I have so many questions, and it's not proof I seek. It's explanation.
You tell me to open my heart to your God and your Jesus but I'm not even sure there is a God or Jesus. You make it sound easy too just throw doubt out the window and accept this religion and the answers it provides. But I've never done anything like that in my life. I've never dove in with faith, I've never gone with it because it tells me ONLY what it tells me. I have to much curiosity for that. And no matter what I question. You place a green apple in my face and say it is green, I will question that, but because I too see the apple as green I will continue to believe it's green because I have nothing to disprove that fact. Of course I will question it no matter what because it's in my nature.
They died because they believed in something. And they died for their beliefs. Dieing for what you believe is an admirable way to die. You die with honor, confidence, and most of all with courage. But wait, don't those terrible Muslims die for that exact cause? Why is the fact that a young girl can die for Jesus and be viewed as a noble human-being but a terrorist despite the violence and murder in death is seen as evil for in such a sense the same cause.
What is good and evil? How do we know it exists? Why are we judged through a life in which we were granted free will?
Why should I make the right choices if I am going to end up in the exact same position as a murderer? DEAD!!!!
Why have a heaven and hell?
We live and die, why make these choices to go here if we are all bound to die?
Why not go to the same place? Why justice in death?
A murderer dies that doesn't bring the murdered back to life.
Speaking of murder and death, why is it seen as such a terrible thing. It's inevitable!
Whether I am shot in the head or die of old age it should make no difference. Yeah, yeah. "What avowal does one have to end another?"
Sure one has no avowal but what avowal do I have to live? To succeed and make the most of a life which will end no matter what and what I did and who I was becomes no more than a memory, with the exception of helping or destroying millions of lives, but those lives inevitably end as well. Maybe I need to come to terms with life and live the way I feel suits ME.
Not what I am told suits me. Maybe I just need to find what makes me happy.
Whether I cure cancer or slit throats isn't the ultimate goal in the human agenda to be during and with the time we are given?
What am I thinking? I'm still not content. Because the problem lies in that very statement. I was wrote off, I was shouted the praises of Jesus, and I was judged.
I was judged while being wrote off, because my original post had such controversy it was judged as edgy and slightly vulgar, you must look deep into the words too see that.
I was shouted the praises of Jesus F'n Christ! SHOUTED! I was told Jesus loved me, yet these people do not realize I am not a believer!
Like I've stated, if this God and his Son love me . . . if this Hell really does exist would I be included it it's accommodation's?
I was thrown words of Jesus Love . . . not offered.
And everybody judged me. We all judge, it's in our nature. No matter what we are all judging and being judged.
You view everyone as beautiful, kind (whether they are misguided is another story), and wonderful human-beings. I view everyone as a disease. Useless, disgusting, greedy, selfish, weak, ungrateful and absolute filth. Nothing makes me more sick to my stomach than this earth and the human beings who leach off of it.
We are not of this world . . . we are in it. This organism will breed and survive no matter what. Yes this is a misanthropist view. But it's the greatest tool I have ever come to understand. I live my live with distrust and hate, always on guard never caught with my hands down. And each time I am attacked my lack of distrust and indifference grows making me stronger. So we are always judged and always judging. Whether the judgment is negative or positive it's always happening. You the optimist judges, I the misanthropist judges. I probably leave you and many other readers confused. If I am happy with the way I live my life why do I not just continue to live it? Because I still seek answers. I seek reason. That's the best I can explain it . . .
And I am sorry to inform you but you are no friend of mine and neither am I. You're human. A friendship cannot be built over the internet.
The few people I trust had to prove themselves in ways no others could not. And too this day I never turn my back on anyone. Even to the men who'd die by my side.
In the name of F'n Oden! I've heard this before. Ugh, it answers questions a Christian would have not someone who doesn't know whether to believe in a possibly false god!
Who says you're going to hell when you die? It's only unbelievers who are judged when they die, you may very well convert before you die!Zeena: If "god" loves me so much why does it claim I go to hell when I die.
DBSE said:What peace can this Jesus offer me?
The only answer is Jesus!I not only seek reason but answers . . .
Can you settle for the answers given as evidence by evolutionary theories dreamed up by men?I know this is such a common thing by non-believers but I cannot settle for the answers handed to me by any religion it seems.
There's nothing wrong with questions, but there is ssomething dreadfully wrong within the heart of man..DBSE said:All these religions are towed by questions.
Do you really hate yourself that much to wish for non-existance?DBSE said:The only one that is straight forward would seem to Be Nihilism that's not even a religion though. Either way I have so many questions, and it's not proof I seek. It's explanation.
It's out of our incapacity for life that we find an all encompassing God with open arms!Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I didn't try any other ways, I'm looking into different ways and I want reason this is the way. Not because some book tells me too, I want to know honestly and truthfully . . . why are you a Christian? What makes you believe Jesus besides a book claims so.
I'm 16 years old and I have more hate and anger in me than most 16 years old should, would, and could have in a lifetime. I am your mean, vile, disgusting, vulgar, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, arrogant, ignorant, stubborn, and hated, seething misanthropist to name a few things about me. I have vices. Many of them. I love heavy metal. Lamb of God, Eyehategod, Outlaw Order, Mastodon, Gojira, Slayer, Pantera, Weedeater, Strapping Young Lad and Gwar are just few of my favorite bands. As stated I'm mean, hateful, angry, and a freak. But I'm also confused as s***. If there really is a hell not only would I go to it I'd be driving the bus.
But I don't know what to believe. I've looked into many different religions. Satanism, Buddhism, Nihilism (so far my personal favorite) etc, etc. The range is far because I'm not close-minded about religion especially when I am curious. I've looked into many of them because I personally think we as humans must have something to believe in. I've found favorite aspects of some religions, I've even talked to the people who follow these religions to get a better insight. One religion I have yet to implore guidance of would be Christianity. Why? Because of my . . . relationship with Christianity. It's rocky, very rocky. But I surrender, give me a reason to favor Christ (I'm sure I'll share my views on Christianity the more this topic progresses.) give me a reason why I should throw away my current lifestyle to praise a Lord I highly doubt? WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?! Sell me, sheep.
It's called Pascal's wager. The problem is that it assumes there is only one possible God to follow. The reality is that if one assumes that God exists, one still has to decide which of the many discriptions of him (Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, whatever,...) one is going to follow.This one is and oldie, but a goodie.
If you live as a Christian and there is no God, then you have lost nothing. You end up the same.
If you live as a Christian and there is a God, then you have won everything.
That's my bit of reasoning.
It's called Pascal's wager. The problem is that it assumes there is only one possible God to follow. The reality is that if one assumes that God exists, one still has to decide which of the many discriptions of him (Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, whatever,...) one is going to follow.
I hope we don't get sprung for debating, but I would like to explore what you just said.The Ideal of Pascals Wager is.
You place what you believe on the table, it's all in.
I place what I believe on the table, it's all in.
We are the only two players, because, it does not matter what other beliefs are there, the only thing that matters is what you believe and what I believe.
Unless you are a believer of Islam or what ever, then it is not on the table, all that is here, is what you believe and what I believe.
Our two respective religions, or faiths, or paths of life, are the only things being bet on. Nothing else matters at this point. This is the final hand, the end game, last cards dealt at the table, for today we die.
Then the Cards are dealt.
If I Loose, no true loss on my part, I lived a good life, and my faith gave me the ability to rise above odds that I the man did not believe I could overcome. My faith gave me reassurance, and continual love and support. I die, I become dirt, the game is over. I still have lost nothing in my life. I have only gained a good life.
If I win, then Heaven awaits me, I have eternal love and grace from God, I still had a good life, and all that, and now I will have a blessed eternity.
So, what do you believe?
Does your faith, offer you the same winning hand as mine, because, in the end, I win, no matter what the cards say.
That is pascals wager, other religions, do not matter, all that matters is what you believe, and what I believe.
If you want to go follow Islam, then do so, then you can bring it to the table, or follow Hindu, or what ever, only then you can bring one of them to the table, the one that you have put your faith into.
But, what do any of them matter, if you do not believe them. If you do not have faith or follow them, they might as well be just be abstract words in a dictionary, as they hold no weight in this wager.
You and I, are the only ones that matter, our bet, our faith, our eternity. We place only what we have at the table.
What do you bring?
God Bless
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Nope, nope, nope. It's all the same, all these religions are the same. I don't care. I feel sooooooooooooo foolish for worrying. Why do I care. Just live my life. I don't need a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]in' book! I don't need rules and I especially don't need to make excuses every time I do something taboo. It wasn't the devil or his temptation it was me doing what I did because I felt like it. I did it and no matter what it's did and done. No prayer can cleanse me, the only thing that can cleanse me is my resiliency. I F***ed up . . . I need to deal with it, I just make sure it doesn't happen again. I don't need to worry about heaven or hell. I die wherever fate brings me or wherever we go so be it. I don't need a book, a god, a church, the only thing I need is what makes me happy. It's all the same, religion isn't for me nor will it ever be. So take your crosses, prayers, and bibles and offer them to someone else . . . I don't want them nor will I ever.
Now if you'll excuse me . . . I'm on my way to Barnes and Nobles to go put the religious books in fiction.
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