I think it's time to be painfully honest about the TWICE DEAD.

[Qubit]

1: He calls them sons of the devil

That is literal and applies to all of Humanity.

2: He calls them TWICE DEAD.

That is what Christians call 'spiritually dead'. The problem is they do not realize it yet.

Anyhow, the Lake of Fire is what we all went through already...

The Lake of Fire (Tophet) is the Moment of Conception

The Lake of Fire has several names in the Bible. One of them is 'Gehenna'. This word comes from the Old Testament, and a place called the 'Valley of the Son/Children of Hinnom'. Another name for the Lake of Fire is 'Tophet'... 2 Kings 23:10 "And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the...

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Truth is simply too much for people to take unfortunately.

 

[Grip Docility]

That is literal and applies to all of Humanity.



That is what Christians call 'spiritually dead'. The problem is they do not realize it yet.

Anyhow, the Lake of Fire is what we all went through already...

The Lake of Fire (Tophet) is the Moment of Conception

The Lake of Fire has several names in the Bible. One of them is 'Gehenna'. This word comes from the Old Testament, and a place called the 'Valley of the Son/Children of Hinnom'. Another name for the Lake of Fire is 'Tophet'... 2 Kings 23:10 "And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the...

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Truth is simply too much for people to take unfortunately.

I know your belief, Qubit. I is of 3 possible outcomes. If I remember, I specified to you that I respected your stance. Thank you for sharing your conviction, here!

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, Qubit.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I will ask again; Did Jesus Christ Bear ALL of your Sins?

Answered prior and you probably missed it

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor 5:19

The big HOWEVER is that your, mine and everyone else's sin is in fact of the devil. Sins were never forgiven for devils and will remain counted against THEM all the way to hell.

The notions that your (or my) sins don't count are patently false because there is another party involved that your position is not accounting for, regardless of your humbleness

Would you request us to be kind to devils?

My answer to that is a firm never

 

[Grip Docility]

Answered prior and you probably missed it

I didn't. I wanted to confirm for certain that you don't see Jesus Christ as the Bearer of all of your sins.

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor 5:19

According to James 2 and Romans 1-2, as well as Jesus Christ's own parables, if the forgiven count other peoples sins against them, their debt of sin gets immediately re-imputed.

The big HOWEVER is that your, mine and everyone else's sin is in fact of the devil. Sins were never forgiven for devils and will remain counted against THEM all the way to hell.

I very implicitly stated that Jesus Christ's Blood covered all of humanity and more. I believe that the fallen are condemned by their own condemnation and their accusatory nature makes it impossible for mercy to be given to them.

James 2:13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment​

The notions that your (or my) sins don't count are patently false because there is another party involved that your position is not accounting for, regardless of your humbleness

God holds Satan culpable for the deceit and murder that resulted in the corruption of our world. Satan is the correct "original sin" doctrine. The rest of your words are seemingly denying the culpability of humanity for their own actions. You've got big problems dragging that concept through scripture from Genesis to Revelation. It not only fails, but would required entire re-writes of the entire bible to proof. In my "humble" opinion.

Would you request us to be kind to devils?

I don't commune with devils. What have you been saying to them lately?

I will ask again; Did Jesus Christ Bear ALL of your Sins?

My answer to that is a firm never

This is not well. I'm not going to bother quoting scripture because this theological statement is beyond human assistance. Allow me to put this in plain English. Whoever bore a person's sins is their god and savior.

Jesus bore my sins. He's my God and Savior.
Some men fancy themselves god's. They are their god and savior.
If a person posits that Satan bore their sins, by biblical narrative... the biblical conclusion is not pleasant.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

According to James 2 and Romans 1-2, as well as Jesus Christ's own parables, if the forgiven count other peoples sins against them, their debt of sin gets immediately re-imputed.

The rest of your words are seemingly denying the culpability of humanity for their own actions

You appear to have fallen into your own position trap, trying to play it both ways, wanting to count sins against people, yet warning what happens to people who do such.

I'd simply describe such confusion as demonic deceptions in such promotions. Nothing personal

 

[Grip Docility]

You appear to have fallen into your own position trap, trying to play it both ways, wanting to count sins against people, yet warning what happens to people who do such.

I'd simply describe such confusion as demonic deceptions in such promotions. Nothing personal

Brother in Jesus. Your theological perspective of not having Jesus as your sin Bearer makes it impossible for either of us to understand one another. I wish you peace and Love in His Good Name and thank you for taking the time to express your perspective. This concludes my responses to you on this particular thread.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Brother in Jesus. Your theological perspective of not having Jesus as your sin Bearer makes it impossible for either of us to understand one another. I wish you peace and Love in His Good Name and thank you for taking the time to express your perspective. This concludes my responses to you on this particular thread.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

You seem to have a severe positional disconnect on several levels that can't be addressed. I get it. It can be difficult for our minds to come to grips with the very hard line scriptural fact that the tempter who does operate within everyone is never forgiven or atoned for. That never happened.

Our minds are deceived by that adverse agent, the tempter, to blanket the entirety of our sins to include his sins of theft, various deceptions and mental defiling disobedience, which all of us remain subject to.

I have no issues with the tempter remaining condemned within everyone, starting with myself, of course