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I think I understand what God's Evolution is: you have to wait to Heaven, to see what it was

Gottservant

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Hi there,

So it has been a long hard struggle, to reach a point where I am not contradicting myself about what I believe, as pertains to Evolution.

I do not believe the Evolution of the Day is for mere mortals, like me - rather I believe that an Evolution is coming, One that we see by faith in Christ Jesus, but not one we see before we die: that faith may have its place, claiming by the spirit, that which can only be of faith.

This is worthy of its own name, in connection with Evolution and sets out a number of differences with Evolution:
  • When Evolving in Heaven, no extra special associations (like monkeys) facilitate that Evolution
  • No mutation, even slightly changes the standard of perfection that evolves in Heaven
  • No adaptation has to take more time, than the time given
  • No transformation is valid, if not shared with others of the same kind (to withhold a change is a sin)
This in effect, is my manifesto, for the Evolution I represent in this life. I am committed to bearing the mark of that Evolution, and to seek out the principles which cohere to make Evolution by faith on Earth, a grace that in Heaven will effect the whole of the Evolution desired.

I no longer wish for men of Earth, to lay claim of my Evolution before the time.

There is a time.

Wait.

The Evolution I believe in, is helped, by waiting.
 

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I think what needs to be added, here, is that I do not undertake this Evolution because I want to be better than others.

I undertake this Evolution and share it, because when it is revealed in Heaven: it will be too late to share.

The righteousness of this sharing, does not add or take away from what is shared, because it is in addition to, that which will be realized in Heaven.

The point being: the thing which is important now, is not the thing that will be important later (I do not say I will change the name of the thing I believe, now or when I arrive in Heaven, but the name is for God to name, as it pleases Him).
 
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Gottservant

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I just want to put some further thoughts here, because I am in danger of cramming up the forums with messages.

I want to propose the idea that if Evolution is a thing: a parasite of that thing (a parasitical meme, if you will) can be developed for that thing that Evolution is - in other words, that because Evolution does not attempt to self-regulate what it is that is acceptable or unacceptable, Evolution is intellectually defenceless to memes that don't respect its boundaries (a bit like AIDS, the immune system is attacked directly, because there is a limit to how many attacks it can deflect successfully).

So this parasite, I am proposing is - how do I put it? - akin to saying "there is no telling which creature will be more like humans next", it is a flawed understanding both of Creation and Evolution, because while it suggests that Evolution's expectations are limited, it doesn't actually deal with specific developments in species at all: it is just a layman's kick at the dust, to see what sticks. The difficulty is in understanding that intellectually, this is a loophole in Evolution that it doesn't actually stipulate right from wrong and can be hacked.

It's not that I haven't created similar parasites before: I suggested that if people believe in Evolution their children will end up looking like their parents - they even had to query a scientist in the field, that actually the statistical probability of this was unrealistic at best. The difficulty there was that I was exposing a weakness in the Evolutionary armour, but I wasn't disempowering it directly and so a work-around was found and the parasite began to be sidelined. What I need to remember given that, is that God does not concern Himself with arguing the weakness of one argument or another - so it's a bit like looking for fool's gold, knowing that there are plenty of fools in the area.

The profound thing, is that a working parasite could correct Evolution's barriers - things like coming from monkeys and having to be a specie before evolving, needing mutations, asking for a passage of time that is enormous, etc. - I pointed out for example that there is no way to simplify Evolution and all that happened was that arguments broke out and the thread was shut down (no fault of the website), I mean if Evolution is to work at all, it is a build up of working components, not triggers from one state of an existing component to another. Suppose the pressure is on an organism to retain oxygen, that organism needs to create lungs, but it doesn't "become" lungs, it recreates its genetic structure with a derivation of lungs until homeostasis is reached with the new definition - it feels incredible even writing that! To think that you could put that down to a series of accident is just bizarre!

I guess that's as far as I can go, actually. There is no real culture of appreciation of such things, except here in the Christian section of the internet and I just know I'm going to get some meaningful helpful answers, from you all, so thank you. It helps to know I don't have to make perfect sense, I can tell you. I don't know, even if I did bring Evolution down with a parasite, what would be the point - surely Jesus counts it as a time waster, contending with people with no real need, but lack of vision that eternity will fix anyway - agree?

I will let you go, but don't let this opportunity go without reminding me that God accepts me, ok? I really need that. Thanks.

-C
 
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