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Wow, you changed "Geocentric Old Earth Creationism" to "no comment" in the 'origin of the world' section. I have some cosmological views that I generally have to keep my mouth shut about as well.

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Blessed is he that is persecuted for the Lord!

I dunno that it qualifies as that, since we as Christians are actually given a lot of leeway for cosmology.
 
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Wow, you changed "Geocentric Old Earth Creationism" to "no comment" in the 'origin of the world' section. I have some cosmological views that I generally have to keep my mouth shut about as well.



I dunno that it qualifies as that, since we as Christians are actually given a lot of leeway for cosmology.
I'm unfamiliar with cosmology. I was under the impression he had people watching him due to his Fundamental beliefs. Guess not. I've even seen folks on here question if his church is Christian at all.

I'm confused!
 
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I'm unfamiliar with cosmology.

The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.

I was under the impression he had people watching him due to his Fundamental beliefs. Guess not. I've even seen folks on here question if his church is Christian at all.

I'm confused!

That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. Toronto Baptist Church is a fringe group.
 
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The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.



That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. I don't use this word often, but Toronto Baptist Church is a cult, not a church (and I don't think that this violates CF rules, since they reject the Nicene Creed).

Are those the main reasons why you would call it a cult? Please elaborate.
 
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People from school have been following up on me, I don't want information to get out.

I changed my profile quite a bit...
It's for this reason that I'm vague in my profiles and blogs. ;)
 
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The scientific definition of cosmology is the study of the origin and evolution of the universe (very loosely, it could be defined as the study of the Big Bang). I took cosmology last year, it's quite interesting.

In more common parlance, "cosmology" often refers to one's view of the universe. I'm not sure which definition is being used here.



That would be me. Richard's fundamentalist church believes that the Sun orbits the earth. By his own admission, they also control the lives of their members. He has, on many occasions, expressed concerns about his church leaders learning that he listens to secular music and watches television. Of course at the end of the day, they nominally claim "by grace are ye saved," and cover their own guilt by attacking the Catholic Church.

I've spoken to Richard since before he joined this church (he did not grow up there; rather he voluntarily sought it out). He's a good guy, but he's relatively new to Christianity, and I would hate to see him make shipwreck of his faith because of these people. I am concerned that when he finally learns that the earth is not the center of the universe, or when one of their other numerous strange doctrines is exposed as false, he will be harmed spiritually. I don't use this word often, but Toronto Baptist Church is a cult, not a church (and I don't think that this violates CF rules, since they reject the Nicene Creed).
Weird!

Thanks for following up with him. Don't give up!

God Bless!
 
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Are those the main reasons why you would call it a cult? Please elaborate.

Richard, I just did elaborate. Based solely upon what you have told me, your church micromanages your life. You are the one who told us that you hope your church won't find out that you listen to secular music. And it was you who expressed concern that your church might catch you watching certain television shows. You once told me that your pastor spends most of his time preaching against others' doctrines. When I mentioned that he ought to be spending the bulk of his time preaching Christ crucified, you said that you enjoy it when your church preaches against others.

Do you not see the problem here? Your church spends all of its time controlling its congregants, denying basic scientific facts, and telling you what not to believe instead of preaching the Gospel. In the end, they cover their hypocrisy by saying "let's tell everyone how evil the Catholic Church is." You will not be saved by repeating the phrase "by grace are ye saved" as if it were a Buddhist mantra.

Do you really believe that you are saved by grace, and do you live that way? If so, then I challenge you to go tell your fellow congregants that you play Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, and see how they react.
 
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