I need someone to respond please

[audiologic]

Sometimes it amazes me how ignorant people are. Addicts are not on cannibis, shrooms, dmt, or lsd. People that do these things dont usually do it on a daily or even weekly basis. With the exception of lsd, it's extremely hard to O.D. or die from any of those things. No doctor is going to tell him that he's going to die because he smokes weed, or does psychedelics once a month, and any doctor that says that is an idiot. This is not a matter of life and death or being addicted. I'd agree, it's affecting him, not just while he's on it, but off of it as well. As far as addiction, it's more of a psychological addiction, not a physical one. Before you attack someone you need to get your facts straight. And if you are going to tell me that praying for him is harming him, then there is no way you can call yourself a Christ follower. You want to tell me the problem lies within me, and the change that I know is going to happen at some point is just all in my head? Dont tell me how to hear the things God says to me.
I was hoping to get support from fellow Christians, and the body of Christ, but now I see why so many people are turned off to Christianity. There is more judgement, and people talking out of ignorance in the Christian body than there is anywhere else.
The reality is, I am going to continue praying for him, and believing that God will change him at some point. I never said I would stay with him, and the change may not even happen until years and years down the road. I may not even know where he is when it happens or have any contact with him, but the change and healing will come.
If you're not going to pray for him with me, true, genuine, loving prayer, then please dont pray at all.
The problem here is not a physical problem. It is a spiritual, emotional, mental problem. He is allowing satan in to control his life. I'm very disappointed, I had higher expectations from people who carry the name of Christ.

People make the mistake of categorizing drugs as "addictive" or "non-addictive". This is true to an extent. While psychedelics don't typically result in the type of dependency that "euphoric" drugs do, it's all a matter of personal responsibility and maturity. This man is clearly lacking both. If you lie, cheat, and power-monger your way through a relationship, I don't care if all you do is smoke pot, it's only feeding the cycle. I'm all for certain substances being utilized in a responsible manner; however, drugs are not inherently "good" or "bad". Regardless of whether LSD can open the mind or not, if you're seeking out drugs just to do them, you're not only sabotaging its potential use, you're toying with neurochemistry - most likely on a more or less consistent basis, and combining many drugs.

One can't claim "You can't get addicted to LSD". It depends on the person. There are people addicted to eating cat hair, of all things. Anything can become addictive in the psychological sense, even if it does not produce physical withdrawal symptoms. If you claim a drug isn't addictive because your body doesn't come to rely on it, then you're also claiming that pornography is not addictive for the same reason.

I'm all for control over urges, don't get me wrong. I also take a defense stance on certain things being used for development. However, if someone possesses a number of dysfunctional qualities, CLEARLY the drugs aren't helping. If they were, the situation would be improving.

Rather, this story is a classic example of using the "spiritual potential" of drugs as a means to escape from reality and feed selfish desires. Justification at its finest.

 

[McMatt]

First of all, this is a mistake that many (if not most) psychedelic users make...they believe that the drug is God. Regardless of whether or not it can induce a spiritual experience, if it's NEEDED to come in contact with the divine, then it's simply a mask for selfish drug abuse. I'm not here to debate whether they can be used for good or not; what I am saying is that even coming from someone with an open mind about these things, this is heinous. The "you wouldn't understand, you haven't done it" argument is also ridiculous, and an assumption that your mind operates in this addictive bubble like his does. I'm also not here to debate on homosexuality, but here's the deal:

1. He lied. That which is based on lies, thrives on lies. You will find out more and more about him that you do not like or agree with.

2. Your belief structures clearly don't match. I'm not going to say "He's not a Christian so he's wrong; dump him" but I WILL say that your faith is clearly important to you, and you have your convictions that it is truth. When you're as passionate and convinced of something as God, Christ, etc., being intimate with someone who clearly disagrees is going to cause tension, heartache, and looooots of stress. Plus, if you succumb to his wishes, you may find yourself falling from what saved you in the first place.

3. Unfaithful? The biggest killer. Not only is it nearly impossible to repair, it tends to repeat itself.

4. He curses, insults you, claims you don't understand. The more you stay, the more you believe him. He's got this idea that he's the cat, and you're the mouse - and he's got you where he wants you. It's not about you, or even "us"; it's about power.

5. You can talk to a person suffering from deep depression as much as you want, and it can often help, but NOTHING WILL CHANGE until they are determined to change. No matter how hard you try, you do not have the power to change them. It becomes a battle of will - your will for him may be strong, but his will for himself is equally stronger...and it is actually stronger as he governs his own actions. Ultimately, God's will determines reality.

Asking if anyone has stopped psychedelics for the sake of faith will not provide the answers, or guidance, you need....however, I will respond. While psychedelics don't compile the majority of my drug resume, I will speak on drug use in general: I'm not opposed to certain things, but I do not use them for a reason. I have an extensive history with drugs, including the abuse of many prescriptions, ecstasy, cocaine, crack, meth, acid, mushrooms, ketamine, mescaline, and others. I come from a very loving family who watched me destroy myself for years. Granted, I couldn't have done it without them; however, what stopped me was not their talks, or letters, or what have you. What stopped me was multiple hospital visits, depression, and finally realizing that I chose what path to take. This may not be what you want to hear - no one wants to see a loved one suffer. But the more you stick around, the more you cater to his manipulative "needs" and the more comfortable he'll be.

The truth is, in my opinion, if he's going to change, for one he needs to lose you. If it devastates him, it may be the catalyst to him realizing what he's done. If it doesn't bother him in the least, then you certainly deserve better, and he'll burn himself out eventually in other ways.

Also, take caution when dealing with the separation. Many times the "victim" will drop to their knees, cry, beg forgiveness, and of course you (having a tender heart) believe they are changed for good. This generally leads to the same painful situation you were in to begin with.

He lied, he's unfaithful, he has no respect for your beliefs or ethical ideas. Drop the guy. Don't hate him, but stay away.

If I owned a publishing company I would totally offer you a book deal. That was basically laying it all out there in the best way possible.

As far as him saying drugs is his religion, he could also have been sarcastic about it. That still isn't a good sign. It shows that on serious issues (like drug use) he doesn't have enough respect to give you a straight answer.

 

[audiologic]

If I owned a publishing company I would totally offer you a book deal. That was basically laying it all out there in the best way possible.

As far as him saying drugs is his religion, he could also have been sarcastic about it. That still isn't a good sign. It shows that on serious issues (like drug use) he doesn't have enough respect to give you a straight answer.

Thank you.

And of course, he may or may not have actually said that...but whether he did or not, in cases like this I tend to believe it IS the case - even if the user denies it.

IF a drug can induce a positive spiritual experience (once again, not trying to cause a debate), what use is it if you can't apply it in your sober life? During a very dark time in my life, I encountered God under the influence of oxycodone. Does this mean that I needed it to continue the relationship? No, the responsible thing to do would have been to restore my faith and stay away, but I chose the other option, that I NEEDED drugs. Whether it's possible to learn from substances or not, I don't care; nor am I going to experiment. Either way, repeated dosing means you didn't learn a thing in the first place.

 

[McMatt]

Thank you.

And of course, he may or may not have actually said that...but whether he did or not, in cases like this I tend to believe it IS the case - even if the user denies it.

IF a drug can induce a positive spiritual experience (once again, not trying to cause a debate), what use is it if you can't apply it in your sober life? During a very dark time in my life, I encountered God under the influence of oxycodone. Does this mean that I needed it to continue the relationship? No, the responsible thing to do would have been to restore my faith and stay away, but I chose the other option, that I NEEDED drugs. Whether it's possible to learn from substances or not, I don't care; nor am I going to experiment. Either way, repeated dosing means you didn't learn a thing in the first place.

Alright I am not sure if you thought I was trying to start a debate with you or not, so just in case I will clarify that I didn't intend to sound like I was debating you. This could be just me misreading your last post, but I agree with every point you said

The canadian in me gives me the need to be apologetic lol

 

[audiologic]

Alright I am not sure if you thought I was trying to start a debate with you or not, so just in case I will clarify that I didn't intend to sound like I was debating you. This could be just me misreading your last post, but I agree with every point you said

The canadian in me gives me the need to be apologetic lol

Oh no, I wasn't talking about you!

I just wanted to ensure that everybody remained focused on the topic at hand...help for the OP. Wasn't referencing you at all, just don't want to detract from the heart of the post and start a war on ethics - that belongs in the ethics section

 

[ceb420]

Sometimes it amazes me how ignorant people are. Addicts are not on cannibis, shrooms, dmt, or lsd. People that do these things dont usually do it on a daily or even weekly basis. With the exception of lsd, it's extremely hard to O.D. or die from any of those things. No doctor is going to tell him that he's going to die because he smokes weed, or does psychedelics once a month, and any doctor that says that is an idiot. This is not a matter of life and death or being addicted. I'd agree, it's affecting him, not just while he's on it, but off of it as well. As far as addiction, it's more of a psychological addiction, not a physical one. Before you attack someone you need to get your facts straight. And if you are going to tell me that praying for him is harming him, then there is no way you can call yourself a Christ follower. You want to tell me the problem lies within me, and the change that I know is going to happen at some point is just all in my head? Dont tell me how to hear the things God says to me.
I was hoping to get support from fellow Christians, and the body of Christ, but now I see why so many people are turned off to Christianity. There is more judgement, and people talking out of ignorance in the Christian body than there is anywhere else.
The reality is, I am going to continue praying for him, and believing that God will change him at some point. I never said I would stay with him, and the change may not even happen until years and years down the road. I may not even know where he is when it happens or have any contact with him, but the change and healing will come.
If you're not going to pray for him with me, true, genuine, loving prayer, then please dont pray at all.
The problem here is not a physical problem. It is a spiritual, emotional, mental problem. He is allowing satan in to control his life. I'm very disappointed, I had higher expectations from people who carry the name of Christ.

After spending many years in his situation, using psychedelics, not abusing my GF, I want to thank you for being smart enough to recognize the difference between the drugs. Dealing with someone actually addicted to a drug such as opiates or a form of cocaine, or meth, is totally different than some that occasionally uses psychedelics. Dont get me wrong, I'm not promoting any of it because thanks to the Lord, He has given me more than one chance to repent and I am oh so grateful!

That being said, I see this as a couple different things going on. As far as the using psychs "once in a while" usually what happens is either as rarely seen, they continue on that path without anything significantly troubling happens and they go on to live their their lives. Or much more commonly, they move on to the actually addictive things like what I mentioned before. But you seem pretty up on things, so your probably aware of that.

If his heart and soul prefer the stimulation of substances rather than you, or the Lord, their is absolutely nothing you can do. You can try all you want, but ultimately that will just make things worse. I agree with a few others on here, you should probably count your blessings and cut your losses and let him go. If you are in an abusive relationship, you definitely need to call it quits, cause that will destroy you both.

Like I said, I applaud you for your real knowledge on such things and not just making ridiculous claims such as LSD is known to cause violence, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard! Just cause anyone is a Christian, doesn't mean they should spread misinformation, that will not help anyone. I will say a prayer for you! <>< Good Luck!

 

[paul becke]

At the age of 14 (now 56) I started on my road of mind altering substances. There is a list, but I will just offer a couple. Alcohol, Weed/Pot, Hash, Acid, Coke (not Cola). I will stop here because just wanted to give you an idea that I have been there before. It has been some 25-30 years since I've used anything and I have to give all the Glory to God. I know you love this person, but it is not up to you to release him from his bondage. He has a lifestyle that you need to break from because it will destroy you from within. Let God work on him if this is His will and you follow the path that God has set for you. Jesus loves you and you are beautiful in His eyes.
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A beautiful and wise-sounding post. For what it's worth, I don't think he deserves you at all. His obstinacy, despite his acknowledged unhappiness, just compounds his serious flaws. To be called unintelligent by someone so foolish takes the cake.

 

[paul becke]

Okay, out of desperation, I'm looking for someone to respond. My boyfriend of almost a year, has decided that his religion is marijuana, lsd, dmt, and shrooms. I am a christian, and he knew that at the beginning of our relationship, and told me that he was too. Things were great, we had devotions together, prayed together, went to church together, he really seemed to have an interest in the things of God. A few months into the relationship, he told me that he lied about being a Christian just to be with me. Now he says that his spiritual experiences are through psychedelics. My opinion, natural or not, anything you do to alter your mind, and lose control of yourself is sinful. He says I wouldn't understand because I havent done it. I've smoked cannibis one time in my life, and there was nothing spiritual about it... and when it was over, I prayed and asked God for forgiveness. Ever since he has rejected God, he has fallen deeper and deeper into lies. He says that he is attracted to other men, and I should accept that and be ok with it because that's who is is. I love him, i really do, I pray for him all the time, but he is held by the chains of bondage that he's put on himself when he rejected God. When you reject Jesus, you forfeit the freedom He wants to give you. He's angry, and tells me all the time he's not happy. He lashes out at me, and curses at me. He's obviously unhappy in his ways. Now, many of you think I'm stupid for sticking around. He hasnt been faithful to me. I dont even really spend much time with him anymore, because it's very painful. He's told me I'm unintelligent and my mind is under evolved because of the things I believe. I cant fight his spiritual battles for him, I can only pray. I know God hears me, and I know God has a plan for his life. I'm asking for someone to please reach out. Has anyone one here done psychedelics in their past, and stopped for the sake of their faith? Has God changed your life? Please, someone please respond.

It seems to me, ricecracker, that your rather angry criticism of Christian7PraiseJesus was unfair, since it was clearly meant to be supportive. Maybe she understands you better than you do yourself.

Yes, perhaps, there was unnecessary guff about the law as it relates to drugs, particularly since it was in reference to the UK. But she expressed concern (without, as you had half-expected people would, deeming you an idiot), but her advice at the beginning and end of her post was sound enough, confirming, as was evidently intended, your own view that you would almost certainly have to get out of the relationship. The impression given by the title of your post, sounded at least as much a lament for a broken romantic relationship as for prayers for your boyfriend, whether or not you intended it.

You went for her for doing so, and preached to her about his being a child of God like everyone else, and expressed contempt for her prayers. Well, maybe you need to be a little more honest with yourself about your own seemingly ambivalent motivation, and your own understanding of the demands of Christian charity.

As regards your concluding question, my late wife died as a result of multiple organ-failure after years of heavy alcoholism earlier in her life. I believed that, as it seemed a psycho-spiritual condition, and she had a perfect temperament, as well as Christian faith and values, she might well be able to get over it. She did, finally, after a long struggle with relapses, relapsing just once after being dry for many years. I told her if she didn't stop straight away, I'd stop taking my tablets. So she stopped.

Now, I'm not saying she's was a better person in this life in God's eyes than your boyfriend, as only He knows the formative experiences of our upbringing and the grace He gives us, and how we respond to them; plus He has different time-scales for our conversion. But what we have all been trying to do, however redundant it may seem to you now, is to tell you that ALL you can do is pray for him, as you indicate you realise - which brings us back to the broken heart in terms of romantic love, and which latter you seem to underestimate. From that viewpoint, C&PJ and everyone else are 'bang on the money'. He's poison for you.