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If I was a God:

I would absolutely love my little humans. I would never want them to be hurt and I would definitely never send them to burn forever. I would never let them cry or allow them to feel pain. I would give them as long of a life as they could possibly have and I would try to make it as worthwhile as I could. I would never let them be stuck feeling alone. And I would show them who I was so that they would believe in me and so they would do the right thing. And THEN, if they were still terrible little humans I would somehow fix them to where they would be good ! lol

Ok first of all, the panic attacks and anxiety are real problems that you need to deal with first. I know full well about panic attacks and anxiety as you can see from the thread I formed last march. I was very close to suicide because of the thoughts that were bombarding me.

The problem with us trying to be God is we can never understand or see things the way he does since he is outside of time and space.

The problem with this view of how God should have made us is that it doesnt take into consideration free will. You absolutely positively cannot love someone if you dont make the choice to do so, but it must be your choice. Imagine if you created a being that you programmed to love only you, and was incapable of hate or evil. That being would be incapable of love itself. Love is a choice , without choice there is no such thing as love. I have also witnessed the suffering of many others as my best friend was taken advantage of most of his life, was made fun, was picked on , was abused and beaten, yet he still forgive them all and even loved them all. He came from another society that had other religious beliefs, but came to Christianity through his heart and seeing how Jesus went through so much pain and suffering and still died on the cross for us, and even praying for the people that killed him. On that day, the son of God made a personal Choice to die for us (he could have said no, but we are his weakness, we are his children). Your also looking at evil and suffering from a very temporal view. The ones who most suffer on this earth are the ones he loves even more and will be exulted even more in heaven.

My current ocd thoughts are causing me great agony and discomfort, but leaving God isnt even a choice for me because my heart truely understands God's agape love for us. If God constantly gave us whatever we wanted from our limited temporal views then we would be like spoiled children who never knew what it was like to love people (even when we are suffering), and that choice to love God is one because he gave us whatever we wanted, not what he knew was best for us. I might be suffering from my disorder all my life, but I know this, im gonna go down praying and trusting my Lord and Savior, even if it seems like im doing so in total darkness right now.
 
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Well let me throw in here, I am also an intellectual. I think thats what makes so much anxiety over the whole situation. Yes their are some people who just put their faith in God and never question anything, and you can tell that God honors that because they are blessed with peace beyond understanding. I have an analytical mathematical mind, that is why it took me 14 years to recieve the gift of Tongues. Because I kept trying to "figure it out" and didn't just do it. My wife got the gift on accident while praising and worshipping. Which goes to show the different types of mind, recieving the things of God.
About faith, the Bible says for salvation to take place, you must first believe in your heart. This is great news because if God expected our minds to always line up 100% with our hearts, we would all be in big trouble. I know that when I am having severe mental doubts about God or His promises, yet my heart longs to do His will, I know I am pleasing to Him. If you are going to wait until your mind and thoughts completely 100% are coupled with the Bible, then well your in big trouble. The issue here is with your heart. When you know that your sin seperates you from a pure and sinless God, and you also know that our creator made a way back home to Him, your heart aches. And thats where believing in your heart, and then the second part which is confessing with your mouth. And all the while your mind may be saying "this is stupid, this isn't real", it doesn't matter. It isn't your mind lining up 100% with biblical theology that gets you to heaven, its a simple repentance and acknowledge of the need of Christ. Your brain mind is a whole other battle ground that as long as you live, whether as a Christian or not, will be a battle that is forever fought.
I have never known of God turning anyone away, if you want a relationship with Him, He will give it. Everyone is different, for me I was barely hanging on by a thread to Him for quite a long time, and I am getting firm footing again. There is a reason Jesus called this life a narrow path, and a small door. Their is a reason why in the parable of the sower, only 25% of people who hear the Gospel message, actually live for Him. And of those 25% in the parable of the wise and unwise virgins, 50% of those didn't have enough oil in their lamps, and lost their chance to be with the Lord. It is difficult obeying Gods word. I personally think their is way more proof and evidence of the God of the Bible than needs to be. I have had demonic encounters as a child, that to me is physical evidence of the spiritual world merging with our world physically. Such is instant healings and the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit. Their is just way to much evidence. But their has to be some unkown or else it wouldn't be faith. And without faith it is impossible to please God, you know that. And you don't have to try to invent faith, the Bible says Christ gives every people a measure of faith. When you truly repent, he will give you enough faith to make it through. You just have to act on that faith, whether is be tiny as a mustard seed or gigantic faith like King Davids.

Speaking in tongues doesn't help the poor, hungry and sick. It helps the individual believer. These are to help you not only to be signs and wonders for unbelievers, but to also help a Christian be edified in their faith. Their has to be a balance, between the Christian helping the outside world. But also the Christian constantly building themselves, or else they will stumble and fall. God is just as concerned with your own personal growth, as he is with how you interact with the rest of the world. That is what church is for, it was designed so Christians could be built up again, after having the world tear them down all week. Without gifts of the Spirit, regular church attendance, and other self edifying things; a person would either backslide from God, or be a very tired worn out and spent individual. According to the Bible, speaking in tongues has 7 or 8 main purposes. I wont go through them all, but one is "building yourself up on your most holy faith". Which I think is in the book of Jude. And when I had almost no faith left, because my mind went absolutely nutso, and I was having panic attacks 10 times a day, speaking is tongues is what kept me from just completely snapping.

And you say you study the Bible so much, but its not showing in your idea of God. Simple fact is that the only way we know anything about God, is through His Bible. So if we look at the Bible we see that God created Adam and gave the earth to Adam. Adam owned the Title deed to earth. When Adam sinned, he gave his title deed to Satan. Fast forward thousands of years and we see what that means, death, hate, distruction, disease. God saw that depraved state and came to earth to give us a way out.
Think about it, not even the angels got a second chance when they went against God. We as humans and Gods beloved creation, have a second chance. I can't even hardly fatham God, leaving His throne and his glory to come down to the filth of earth. Especially after the human race spit in His face by going against Him. Anyways, so when people are born, they are born into sin. And by default belong to the devil. Its only through accepting Jesus' sacrifice, that God snatches that title deed and we now belong to Him. It is really simple, we die while satan has the deed to our life, we go where satan exists, in hell. We accept Christ, and when we die we go to where He is, into heaven, into glory. God did his part by giving us a second chance, the rest is up to us.
Hell was never even meant for humans, it was only for the angels and their punishment. But by joining forces with the devil, humans got a new destination to be with him for eternity. It's wild but it's true. God sends no one to hell, you are heading into eternity at 60 seconds per minute, and you get to decide the destination. It's so awesome, God didn't make us mindless robots, He gave us freewill and choice, just as He gave the angels. Don't be mad at God, blame Adam and Eve! lol. The Bible isn't just a book, its a contract. God cannot break that contract, he must follow it to the "T". He really can't do whatever he wants, because he can't go against His own Word. But I believe he does the best he can within his own contract. Every promise in the Bible is apart of that contract, and God has to follow through. So that is good news, when doubt comes.

Anyways, im not going to "convince" you to become a Christian, no one is saved that way. But I honestly believe you have been given so much of the worlds view, that it makes it nearly impossible to see Gods side of the story. I hope I threw a little bit of weight on Gods side of the scale to make you really think. If you are wrong about pantheism, it will be an absolutely horrible mistake on your part, that you will get the rest of eternity to regret. If I am wrong about Christianity, then I guess I will become part of the universe and turn into energy, lol. But the thing is I know im not wrong, I have had more than enough supernatural experiences with the God to rest assured in my heart.
 
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Justpassingthrough21 , the Lord has truely blessed you, and it is through your troubled times that he has blessed you to know him. There are millions of worldviews out there but only one truth. I originally came to Christ from my heart and it is my heart that keeps me holding on during these troubled times. There is alot of evidence for christianity , we both know this, but with ocd we sometimes need to shut off that analytical mind as it seems to have gone into overdrive.

Your post really helped me alot also
God Bless
 
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That is awesome Christian-Catholic! What you said really blessed me to know what I am saying is affecting others in a positive way! You know as well as I do, it is that heart faith that keeps your feet moving forward, even though your mind is wanting to do in the opposite directions. You are so blessed to have that experience with God, that most will never know!
 
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That is awesome Christian-Catholic! What you said really blessed me to know what I am saying is affecting others in a positive way! You know as well as I do, it is that heart faith that keeps your feet moving forward, even though your mind is wanting to do in the opposite directions. You are so blessed to have that experience with God, that most will never know!

Thanks Justpassingthrough21, its been over a year of agonizing struggle for me and it is exactly what you said that kept me going , even though my ocd put me in a very dark place. It is that heart faith that I would love for the op and everyone else to experience. the holy spirit is strong with you man:)
 
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I understand what you're saying and I get it. I understand that part of the story and it DOES make sense.

I appreciate all of your advice because it HAS made me think. I just struggle with so much anxiety about this entire situation no matter which decision I choose in my HEART. In my heart, I do hope and wish that there is someone that really does care about me...who wants the best for me and comforts me. Who would even heal me if I were sick or make my life more fulfilling. This is what I want. I'm not wanting to be convinced in that area of things. I feel in my heart that there is someone who cares, that I'm not all alone because there is just no way that could happen. So, I do believe in my heart. :D But my brain still has it's doubts...I guess I will try to work on it and deal with it as best as I can. I need much reassurance.

I am suffering from so much anxiety right now. I feel like I am going to die all of the time, my life is depressing right now...so plain scary and foreboding. I constantly feel like I could die at any second and that I am just completely out of control of this situation (my life) and I feel like just giving up. I'm sick right now, my lymph nodes are swollen in my neck, my head hurts so bad...and I think this is all from stress and not sleeping well. I am fatigued to the point that I am up roaming around feeling normal and then suddenly I feel complete exhaustion to where I can't even keep my arm raised. I think about everything I eat like it could hurt me, everything I drink, every time I smoke a cigarette...but I know this sounds like an excuse, I just get so anxious that I feel like I NEED them...if I lose my cigarettes I'm freaking out. I get scared to be in the living room across my house doing homework while my boyfriend is at the other end. I get scared to take showers when I'm home alone or to even come out of my room. I hate not having a vehicle in case I need it and I constantly think I have cancer or something. This is getting so bad. I need help but I've tried counseling but my counselor just kept asking about romantic issues I might be having and things like that. She then just started to tell me things to look forward to rather than to try and deal with what's going on. I just stopped going after about 2 months and it has been gradually getting even worse. It's terrible. I want some xanax because that TRULY is the only medication that I have ever taken (and I've taken it 2 different times ONLY from my dad because he suffers from panic disorder as well and he got prescribed after going into the hospital several times with panic attacks that him and the doctors thought were heart attacks). I only took the xanax those two times, just one peach each time, because I was having a bad panic attack and he offered me one because he knew how I felt. Anyway, enough of explanation on that...my doctors just won't prescribe it to me and I don't want to be like "SERIOUSLY... I NEED THIS OR I AM GOING TO GO INSANE..." lol because they will think I'm addicted or something, probably. But the fact is, I literally feel like I am losing control of my life to this disorder and I have no clue what to do about it. I cry, I am irritable, I'm sick, I'm tired, I get depressed over it, and it all around sucks. I have tried antidepressant after antidepressant and they make me SO tired or have headaches or feel just cloudy...it's terrible. When I started taking prozac is when I began having panic attacks.

I want to have a positive outlook on life. I want to fix all of my problems and I want to be a normal 21 year old again ffs!
 
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I am feeling your pain child. I know exactly how bad you feel. Just so you know were in the same boat, I use to have to think about every breath I took, because I thought if I stopped thinking about it, I would stop breathing. I would go to church, and if someone came up and started talking about God or Jesus, I would have a panic attack. Things got so bad I wanted God to kill me. I kept have violent thoughts against people I love, and God. Sexually perverse thoughts against God. I started to when I would have thoughts I would jerk my body, or blurt a noise. I was literaly losing my mind. If I took all of the pain I had experienced in my first 21 years of life and wrapped it all together, it wouldn't even equal 1 day of the torment I felt. I wanted to take meds, but 2 reasons I didn't. The first reason was because the pain I felt reminded me the battle was real. Both a spiritual battle and also a physical battle, and a fleshly battle. The second reason was because I knew that pill can take away the emotional pain, but no pill was going to give me my faith back. And in my own personal life, faith in God is everything. Without faith in Him, I feel like there was no ground under my feet, no pillar for me to lean on, no light for me to see where I was walking. The pain I could handle, living a faithless godless life, that would of been unbearable. Now I am not against medication, but I believe a person can overcome this solely doing everything in their power, and also trusting in the grace and mercies of God. I decided if I needed something to take the edge off of my anxiety, I would take minerals and vitamins. Now while I do take that, I am still pressing into God.
And I saw you mention a while back that you would get anxiety talking about God. Don't think this is anything to freak out about. One of my "worst" obsessions, was hearing the name of Jesus and then freaking out. It was really dumb and rediculous, but non the less I would. Me being madly in love with God, and yet having this reaction, made me feel so horribly evil. Although I knew that my mind didn't line up with my heart. Don't think any of these feeling disqualify you from coming to God. Or that their is something in you so defiant, that it can't be brought into submission.

I can see you are looking for the truth. I really am believing that you will find it!
 
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