Here lately I have been thinking that there is something missing in my life. That I have never really seen God or known him as my savior. And that I have never really been born again, changed into a new creation. If anyone reading this reads My Utmost For His Highest,I need some advice. Two devotionals that say something to me are December 7 and January 10th. In them Chambers talks about the difference between being converted and actually being saved (jan 10)and being led by the Holy spirit to repentance (dec 7). I don't think this has ever happened to me and I don't sense the Holy Spirit or conviction from sin even now. I need prayer and I need thoughts and Christian advice.
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FranklinNoble
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Could you share the actual scriptures that might be giving you such doubts?
Oswald Chambers is a fine writer, but his work is not the inspired Word.
Oswald Chambers is a fine writer, but his work is not the inspired Word.
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It sounds to me from what you have written that perhaps you are being convicted (forgive me if I am presuming too much). I think that the Lord is indeed calling you. He has already given of Himself to you by His death on the cross. All you have to do is to accept that free gift and confess and repent of your sin and acknowledge Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Keep yourself in His word and pray. I will be praying for you that you will make this decision today. God bless you.
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smithal1
i dont personally tend to like it when people begin to talk about how some people werent really converted and didnt get the real thing, becuase i beleive it is rarely the case. i know im no-body and dont know much, but Jesus is so desperate to get into our lives that he often accepts the smallest things from us and counts it worthy to come into our souls.
friend i believe you truely are saved.
but whether you are or not, God is using this to lead you to a deeper place in him, thats whats happening to you, and actualy i feel a strong sense by the Lord to tell you that yes you are saved, genuinely saved. i feel thats what the Lord would say to you, and thats what hes leading me to tell you.
though our spirits are something that paul said had to be renewed day by day. you dont reach a cold spot with God and then doubt whether you started out right, no, you just need to refresh yourself everyday in him to stay close to his heart. no matter how true the salvation is, if you dont renew your spirit daily and continually put yourself into God by praying, going to church, meditating in the word of God, youll grow cold, your spirit will wax gross and youll no longer be able to feel him.
hes drawing you deeper.
the bible says deep calls unto deep, and God is drawing you and calling you to come deeper. not just becuase you want to go, but becuase he wants you to go with him there. God is going to a deeper place, and hes calling you to follow him.
Go somewhere quiet and get alone with God for a while.
you dont have to know how, just make yourself available and ask him to come talk with you and he will, just make yourself available to be found by him, go somewhere quiet and be willing to spend some time seeking him from your spirit and wait untill you feel him come. and whatever you feel him leading you to do, then begin to doit and continue to get alone with God and hear from him and follow his leading in your life.
dont worry about the words to say, the fact that you feel what hes doing in your heart right now, and you responding to it by going to be alone in prayer is enough to move God to come and move in your life, and he will.
its not the words... its just that you responded to him by going to be alone in prayer, thats what makes God come.
it doesnt matter where you end up in life, if you can find a secret place to get alone with God, youll make it out ok. if God can get you there, he can always restore you.
Godbless
lee.
i dont personally tend to like it when people begin to talk about how some people werent really converted and didnt get the real thing, becuase i beleive it is rarely the case. i know im no-body and dont know much, but Jesus is so desperate to get into our lives that he often accepts the smallest things from us and counts it worthy to come into our souls.
friend i believe you truely are saved.
but whether you are or not, God is using this to lead you to a deeper place in him, thats whats happening to you, and actualy i feel a strong sense by the Lord to tell you that yes you are saved, genuinely saved. i feel thats what the Lord would say to you, and thats what hes leading me to tell you.
though our spirits are something that paul said had to be renewed day by day. you dont reach a cold spot with God and then doubt whether you started out right, no, you just need to refresh yourself everyday in him to stay close to his heart. no matter how true the salvation is, if you dont renew your spirit daily and continually put yourself into God by praying, going to church, meditating in the word of God, youll grow cold, your spirit will wax gross and youll no longer be able to feel him.
hes drawing you deeper.
the bible says deep calls unto deep, and God is drawing you and calling you to come deeper. not just becuase you want to go, but becuase he wants you to go with him there. God is going to a deeper place, and hes calling you to follow him.
Go somewhere quiet and get alone with God for a while.
you dont have to know how, just make yourself available and ask him to come talk with you and he will, just make yourself available to be found by him, go somewhere quiet and be willing to spend some time seeking him from your spirit and wait untill you feel him come. and whatever you feel him leading you to do, then begin to doit and continue to get alone with God and hear from him and follow his leading in your life.
dont worry about the words to say, the fact that you feel what hes doing in your heart right now, and you responding to it by going to be alone in prayer is enough to move God to come and move in your life, and he will.
its not the words... its just that you responded to him by going to be alone in prayer, thats what makes God come.
it doesnt matter where you end up in life, if you can find a secret place to get alone with God, youll make it out ok. if God can get you there, he can always restore you.
Godbless
lee.
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Evie
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absolutely,you need to get on your knees and let the Lord hear your cry. tell Him how you feel.Christ died for you. Read God's Word and you will grow! He will be there for you every step of your faith path. by the way,once you accept Him,you are saved,but you need to feed your soul by reading his Word. Ask Him to show you.Nothing else will allow your soul to grow as much as that.i read devotionals from different writers but if it does not line up with the Bible,don't believe it.crossrunner said:
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KleinerApfel
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Hello Smith 
I felt something like this a few years ago, so wonder if my own experiences might help to point you in the right direction.
I was saved in 1992, but it took me until 1998 to recognise my sin!
I think I still harboured the thought that I was not really too bad a person, and perhaps that would be good enough!
You might argue then that I was not saved.
Sometimes I even wonder myself, yet then God reminds me of the times He spoke to me, guided and comforted me in those in-between years, and I know I was His even then. It's a mystery.
I knew He was God and Saviour, and I knew I was an imperfect human, in need of Him, but really I didn't get too specific about what I'd done wrong.
Have you tried asking God to reveal to you what might be in your past which needs His grace and forgiveness to flow over it?
You might want some help there, as I did.
I suffered from deep depression and fear because I wasn't facing up to things, then I realised I was afraid of the Holy Spirit and something was wrong.
I was so blessed to be in the right place at the right time. God is kind.
A couple in ministry together helped me face my past, leading me lovingly but firmly through some basic steps to recognise my true self and repent of particular things.
Particular stumbling blocks for me were unforgiveness, (quite a common one I've since realised - check it out first!), also past interest in various occult/non-Christian spiritual things generally, which I'd dropped years earlier but not yet identified as personal sin, and therefore never actively repented of.
After I had been helped to repent and recieve healing prayer I was healed of the depression and felt so free and cleansed.
One note of caution - depression is not always or exclusively due to sin - I wouldn't ever suggest that to a sufferer! But it played a huge part for me, and although I'm still prone to being low, I no longer get that black, empty, fearful despair.
God bless you as you seek His peace over this,
Susana
I felt something like this a few years ago, so wonder if my own experiences might help to point you in the right direction.
I was saved in 1992, but it took me until 1998 to recognise my sin!
I think I still harboured the thought that I was not really too bad a person, and perhaps that would be good enough!
You might argue then that I was not saved.
Sometimes I even wonder myself, yet then God reminds me of the times He spoke to me, guided and comforted me in those in-between years, and I know I was His even then. It's a mystery.
I knew He was God and Saviour, and I knew I was an imperfect human, in need of Him, but really I didn't get too specific about what I'd done wrong.
Have you tried asking God to reveal to you what might be in your past which needs His grace and forgiveness to flow over it?
You might want some help there, as I did.
I suffered from deep depression and fear because I wasn't facing up to things, then I realised I was afraid of the Holy Spirit and something was wrong.
I was so blessed to be in the right place at the right time. God is kind.
A couple in ministry together helped me face my past, leading me lovingly but firmly through some basic steps to recognise my true self and repent of particular things.
Particular stumbling blocks for me were unforgiveness, (quite a common one I've since realised - check it out first!), also past interest in various occult/non-Christian spiritual things generally, which I'd dropped years earlier but not yet identified as personal sin, and therefore never actively repented of.
After I had been helped to repent and recieve healing prayer I was healed of the depression and felt so free and cleansed.
One note of caution - depression is not always or exclusively due to sin - I wouldn't ever suggest that to a sufferer! But it played a huge part for me, and although I'm still prone to being low, I no longer get that black, empty, fearful despair.
God bless you as you seek His peace over this,
Susana
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http://www.myutmost.org/12/1207.html
I'd say that you are on the right track. The first thing that Jesus says in the Gospel of John is, "What are you seeking?" I think a lot of Christians would do themselves a good turn if they would ask themselves that right from the beginning. Do you know that you are a sinner? Do you want to radically saved and restored to a relationship with the Father? Do you want to give yourself up completely to Jesus because you know him and realize what he offers you? Do you recognize the lamb of God and love him so much that you drop everything and go home with him? You start out not knowing, but you want to know, so you ask, and God does this precious work in you. Ask him and don't waste another moment. Don't replace the glory of God and knowing him personally with any book (other than the Bible. of course!) or any man or woman's perspective. This is all for you, between you and God. God bless you!
http://www.myutmost.org/12/1207.html
I'd say that you are on the right track. The first thing that Jesus says in the Gospel of John is, "What are you seeking?" I think a lot of Christians would do themselves a good turn if they would ask themselves that right from the beginning. Do you know that you are a sinner? Do you want to radically saved and restored to a relationship with the Father? Do you want to give yourself up completely to Jesus because you know him and realize what he offers you? Do you recognize the lamb of God and love him so much that you drop everything and go home with him? You start out not knowing, but you want to know, so you ask, and God does this precious work in you. Ask him and don't waste another moment. Don't replace the glory of God and knowing him personally with any book (other than the Bible. of course!) or any man or woman's perspective. This is all for you, between you and God. God bless you!
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The best analogy (one that the Bible uses) is that conversion is like getting married. Once it's done, it's done. Now wives and husbands may sometimes fail to live up to Biblical standards, and may have problems, and may spend years learning to love each other more, but they don't ask "are we really married," because they were married the day they made a promise in public, and they know that.
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Pilgrim1951
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I have to say I am in agreement with Lee regarding being uncomfortable when people begin to wonder about other's salvation and whether they are trully saved or not. In Hebrews 12:1 our life with God is compared to a race, "...let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us."
One of the enemy's best deceptions is to make us doubt our salvation, and we remain at the gate with it standing wide open. We can't begin the race, if we are still at the gate. That being said, if you are not certain that you have given your heart to Jesus, then just do it now. Just say, " Jesus, I desire with all my heart to accept you as my Lord and Savior. And Lord, I ask that you give me your blessed assurance that I am trully saved." Then, you need to leave the gate, and believe that you are God's child through our Lord Jesus Christ. You, are in my prayers, precious one.
One of the enemy's best deceptions is to make us doubt our salvation, and we remain at the gate with it standing wide open. We can't begin the race, if we are still at the gate. That being said, if you are not certain that you have given your heart to Jesus, then just do it now. Just say, " Jesus, I desire with all my heart to accept you as my Lord and Savior. And Lord, I ask that you give me your blessed assurance that I am trully saved." Then, you need to leave the gate, and believe that you are God's child through our Lord Jesus Christ. You, are in my prayers, precious one.
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