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BornAgainChristian said:
Converting back to a JW. I've broken ties with my "bible studies" teacher.


Now, it's my cousin, and my aunts.

I know that you'll get shunned if you say that you're not a JW anymore. What do I do? What should I say? Please help!

Unfortunately that is the cost one pays for being a true disciple of Jesus -

Matthew 10:34-39 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

The truth of the gospel seperates - the Jesus of the Bible is not the jesus of the JW organization nor is the gospel they preach the true gospel of Christ. Paul warns us about that -

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The best thing to do is to be honest about your conversion to Christ. Don't do it in a prideful or condescending way but in a spirit of humility and gratitude to God for His truth and grace. I suggest you search the Scriptures for defence against the falsehood of the JW's organization. There are plenty of ex-JW sites on the web as well as groups you can join (Yahoo) that are specifically targeted to ex-JW's which offer help and support (i belong to a Yahoo group though i've not been a JW)

If you need any help don't hesitate to PM me - i'll be glad to help any way i can ! :thumbsup: ;)



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Bless your heart! Such a grown-up thing to do at such a young age. May the Lord truly bless you for the sacrifce you're making. I will pray that He will help you to grow in the truth of God's love.
I wish I could give you advice. Its very hard when I haven't walked in your shoes. Do you have a Bible that is not NWT? Please pm me if you don't. If you do, read read read. Pray for God to reveal Himself in His word as you're reading it and pray for wisdom to understand. Try to find a group of believers that can help to support you in your walk.
Your such a dear sweet person! I pray that you will find peace and growth and love in your walk with Jesus.
 
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crossrunner said:
...Do you have a Bible that is not NWT? ...
You can always read the Bible on-line (http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs/niv/). That makes it easy to copy favourite bits in a journal, or to post questions...

God bless,

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Pls be clear within yourself that Jehovah Witness is a Cult organization. The leaders of Jehovah Witnesses could also have been decieved by the devil.

We must not hate Jehovah Witness people but love them enough to pray and seek for God's grace for them so that they may come to the knowledge of the Truth.

Pls go thru the following Bible verses to be clear and also show it to others as clear proof :-

1 John 2:22-24 :- Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1 John 4:1-6 :- Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 5:10-14 :- He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

2 John 1:9-10 :- Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Hope this helps.

JMO, Lord bless you,
Vincent
 
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Also pls read the following article :-

FIFTEEN REASONS WHY I CANNOT BE A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
by Rev. Robert B. Mignard

The crystal clear teachings of the Word of God will not allow a thorough going Bible Student to embrace the doctrines set forth by the Jehovah's Witnesses. The basic teachings of this sect are in conflict with the Scriptures. Fifteen of their unique doctrinal errors are listed here and constitute sound reasons why no one may unite with the Witnesses and still hold to the truth of God.

1. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE ABSOLUTE, UNIQUE DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST

Scripture demonstrates that the Lord Jesus Christ is Jehovah, Isaiah 41:4, 44:6 and 48:12 declare that the attribute of being the "first and last" belongs to Jehovah alone. **************In Revelation 1:7, 8, 11, 17 and 22"23, 14************ Jesus Christ is shown possessing this very attribute, thereby making Him the Jehovah of these Isaiah passages, and indeed of the entire Old Testament. Isaiah 45:22-25 speaks of a universal worship, which one day all mankind will render unto Jehovah. Phil. 2:9-11 applies this Isaiah passage to Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 44:22, 23 sets forth Jehovah as the redeemer. Eph. 1:7 establishes Jesus Christ as this redeemer.

In Isaiah 45:24 and 54:17 Jehovah is our righteousness. In 1 Cor. 1:30 Jesus Christ is our righteousness.

Isaiah 43:11 reserves for Jehovah alone the work of saving man. "Besides Me there is no Saviour." Titus 2:13 teaches that Jesus Christ is the Saviour, thereby establishing Him as the Jehovah of Isaiah chapter 43.

An honest student of the Scripture will read and compare the verses used above.

2. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TEACH THAT JESUS CHRIST IS A CREATED BEING - SIMPLY ANOTHER GOD.

This doctrinal error is achieved through a spurious translation in their New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scripture which renders John 1:1, "And the Word was a god." Isaiah emphatically denies this error in 43:10, 44:6 and 45:5, 21, and shows their translation of John 1:1 to be illegitimate. Four times Jehovah declares the impossibility of there being "another god" or "a god" beside Himself. Every honest student of Scripture must acknowledge the solitary aloneness of Jehovah.

3. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE PERSONALITY AND DIVINITY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Of the many Scripture references which demonstrate this to be false John 16:13, 14 is representative. Eight times the Lord Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit by the personal masculine pronoun. The Greek word "Spirit" is neuter but the pronoun employed is not "it" but rather "he" or "himself". Christ was grammatically incorrect, for the pronoun must agree with the noun in gender, but theologically correct in this recognizing the Spirit's personality. Were the Holy Spirit not a person, the pronoun "it" would have been used and the grammar of the passage kept intact. Even the Witnesses' own New World Translation acknowledges the Spirit's personality in the translation of these two verses. The divinity of the Holy Spirit is clearly demonstrated in the following references which the honest student will carefully study: Acts 5:3, 4; 1 Cor. 3:16; 2 Cor. 13:14. In 1 Cor. 12:4-6 the Holy Spirit is called Lord (v.5) and God (v.6). In placing Isaiah 6:8-10 along side of Acts 28:25-27 it becomes evident that the God of Isaiah 6 is the Holy Spirit.

4. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY

Though the truth of the Trinity is amusing to the Witnesses, nevertheless it constitutes part of the revelation of God. The Bible student discovers there is a Person in Scripture known as the Father, who is God (Eph. 1:2). There is another Person in Scripture called the Son, Jesus, Jesus Christ who is God (Titus 2:13). There is still another Person called the Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Spirit of God who is God (Acts 5:3,4). The one Greek word theos, "God," is used of all three Persons, thus ascribing the same divinity of each. The careful student also notes the fact of the Trinity in Isaiah 48:16, 17; 28:19 and 2 Cor. 13:14. The conclusion is simply that there is one God manifest in three Persons known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and since each Person is God, the persons are equal.

5. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE BODY, CORPOREAL RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD

False doctrine declares "The man Jesus is dead, only His spirit arose." The witness of Jesus Christ is quite different (Luke 24:36-45). Even a casual glance at v. 39 dispels any doubt concerning the bodily resurrection. Thomas met the physically resurrected Christ (John 20:24-29), as did the other disciples who ate fish with Him (John 21:12-14). Paul testifies to the corporeal resurrection of Jesus Christ in 1 Cor. 15:3-19. The guards at the tomb, the chief priests and Sanhedrin would never have become excited, Matt. 28:11, 15 if "only His spirit arose."

6. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE BODILY VISIBLE RETURN OF JESUS CHRIST

They say, "We must not expect Him to come again as a human being" "Coming is properly translated presence and refers to the invisible presence of the Lord." In contrast, a Bible student discovers the truth that Jesus Christ IS coming back again physically, literally. In Revelation 1:7 "every eye shall see Him"; in Thess. 4:16, 17 "the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven"; and in Acts 1:10, 11 He "shall so come in like manner as we have seen Him go into heaven." The testimony of these passages is irrefutable.

7. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY PRESENCE OF THE BELIEVER WITH CHRIST UPON DEATH

According to 2 Cor. 5:8, Phil. 1:21-24 and Luke 16:20-22, the believer, immediately upon death, passes into the presence of Christ. The body sleeps in the ground (John 11:11-14), awaiting the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20-23), while the soul and spirit now separated from the body (Jas. 2:26), pass into heaven.

8. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CHIDE THE BELIEVERS' HOPE OF HEAVEN

John 14:1-3; Phil. 3:20, 21; Pet. 1:3-5; and Rev. 3:21 are but a few of the many passages in Scripture which speak of the "living hope" of being with Christ forever.

9. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE REALITY AND ETERNITY OF FUTURE PUNISHMENT

Scripture teaches that reality of hell. The Lord Jesus Christ spoke more of hell than heaven and informs us that hell is a furnace of fire, (Matt. 13:49-50); a place for Satan and his emissaries, (Matt. 25:41); and unquenchable fire, (Mark 9:42-48); Furthermore, He insisted upon the fact that hell is eternal. The Greek word aionios, which is defined as that which is without end, and which is used to describe the everlasting life mentioned in John 3:16 and the eternity of God in Rom. 16:26 is delibertly used by Christ to describe the duration of hell (Matt. 18:8), and by John in Rev. 14:11. Aionios does not have a double meaning. If it means that God is eternal and the life which the believer receives is eternal, then it must mean that hell is also eternal.

10. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY THE PERFECT SALVATION OF CHRIST'S CROSS

Without any warrant from Scripture, the Witnesses teach that the Millennium, the thousand year reign of Christ upon the earth, will afford all mankind from Adam onward conditions, to earn salvation. Where is there a single Bible verse supporting this? The Lord Jesus Christ has purchased our salvation on the Cross, Rom. 3:21-26, and it remains for man to believe and be saved (Eph. 2:8-0 and Acts 16:30, 31). Salvation is wholly apart from human effort (Rom. 3:27, 28).

11. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DENY PATRIOTISM AND SALUTE TO THE FLAG

Scripture enjoins all believers to be loyal citizens. The careful student will see this in Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-15 and Matt. 22:21.

12. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THE 144,000

Through good works and sincere effort it is the hope of Jehovah's Witness to become the of the 144,00. In the two chapters in which the 144,000 are mentioned, Revelation 7 & 14, the student of Scripture notes that 144,000 are literal Jews of the ancient tribes with no Gentiles among them (7:4-8); are all males (14:4); are virgins (14:4); will minister during the Great Tribulation (14:6-13); and do not earn their office by works but are imagination can sound Biblical interpretation allow a Gentile sect to claim for its devotees a place among the 144,000.

13. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES USE A PERVERTED TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE

The New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scripture is a fumbling translation of the New Testament which no reputable Greek scholar will endorse. The Translation has been altered to fit the heresy. For instance, the Greek word for "other," "allos," does not appear in the Greek text of Col. 1:16,17 but is inserted four times in their translation to make Christ appear as part of the creation, and hence fit their doctrine that He is a created son, another god. "...because by means of Him all other things were created." This and dozens of other passages make the New World Translation a travesty of God's Word.

14. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS DOCTRINAL SYSTEM IS BASED UPON THE INTERPRETATIONS OF CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL

In 1874 a Brooklyn haberdasher, Charles Taze Russell, announced that he possessed all the truth. In his many volumes Russell "left scarcely one great truth of fundamental doctrine untouched with his unholy and unwarranted conclusions," (Dr. Wm. E. Biederwolf). As a careful study will reveal, Russell's writings serve as a broad base upon which the Jehovah's Witness structure is erected. Presently the Jehovah's Witnesses are following the fallen conclusions of a rascal who was divorced by his wife, was in trouble in the courts and who fleeced his followers with "miracle wheat" sold at an exorbitant price, which he claimed would produce 15 times as much wheat as an ordinary bushel.

15. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES NEGLECT A VAST AREA OF SCRIPTURE TRUTH

A careful analysis of numerous books, pamphlets and magazines turned out by the Watch Tower Publishers, reveals that only a small percentage of the Bible is used. A mere 6 1/2% of the Scripture is quoted, leaving untouched the rest of the Word of God. Evangel Missionary Fellowship, Inc. P.O. Box 25, Largo, Florida, U.S.A.
 
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I am praying for you BornAgainChristian. I myself have not ever folloewed them but my father's wife does and is bringing my sisters up into it too. She of course wants me to also. I wonder waht she will say when I invite her to my baptism in the Pentecostal Church? Anyway be strong and ask for Jesus's help through this time.

Nevada :angel:
 
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