I know why Jesus has not returned yet!

[Alpine]

Would I be a charismatic if I didn't?

So what's the answer then?

 

[MikeMcK]

I've already explained that I do in post 97.

 

[lismore]

In fact, this passage isn't even referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as it's commonly practiced in the church today.

Can you tell me what this means Mike?

 

[Tenebrae]

Amen, Christina and Tatu. Two scriptures came to me immediately:

...Touch not mine anointed (Psalm 105:15a)

and

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (Matthew 12:36)

Ahh the whole "dont touch gods annointed" a wonderful way of shutting down crirtisim and avoiding accountability

 

[Tenebrae]

I have. The leadership of my church partners with several local churches and we do hold pastors and teachers accountable. We examine one another's teachings in light of scripture and, if one is found to be in error, then they're corrected and given an opportunity to repent and to publically correct their teaching.

I do accept when people correct me, but it has only happened once.

As a new believer, I was entrusted to lead a Bible study. Out of my ignorance, I taught modalism.

I was corrected and given an opportunity to repent and correct my teaching. I did and, since then, I haven't taught anything that is in error.

Good post

Every christian in a Leadership or any sort of role that is above others should be prepared to be accountable to others and corrected when needed

 

[franky67]

"Man of God"? I thought we were talking about John Hagee.

Mike, What specifically do you object to John hagee about ?

 

[churchlady]

I think it would be helpful, first of all, if MikeMcK would post the scripture where the word "essential" is used, since he seems adamant in the use of that word.

Secondly, the teachings that he copied and pasted would certainly be taught from the "doctrine of Christ" in Hebrews 6.

Even the first principle mentioned (Heb. 6:1) - 'repentance from dead works - faith toward God' would necessarily include the gospel of Christ (the basic salvation message that they are dead in their sins, the Son of God died on the cross for them), teachings necessary to lead one to the knowledge of their lost condition and need for Christ.

Then the second principle would lead them to water baptism of repentance and to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

So for Mike to say that what he copied and pasted is not included in the Heb. 6 "doctrines of Christ" foundation is simply not true.

Then for him to say in post 7 (I think) that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not essential, when the Bible lists these teachings as the "doctrines of Christ" and the "foundation" and later, the "milk" - is really taking liberties with the Word.

This illustrates what I tried to point out in my thread "Building on the Right Foundation", what happens when a Christian is not thoroughly grounded in the basic doctrines of Christ - the milk, but goes on to try and chew meat instead. It results in a distortion of the plain truth.

Uh, Mike...........have you found that scripture on "essential" yet?

 

[Amplifyme]

He can't figure out John Hagee's charts and graphs !!!

Haha, good one.

John Hagee does have some interesting and thought provoking teachings though!

 

[TheNarrowGate]

So then, it's so obvious, but you can't even give us one example?

Brother take the scales off your eyes and look at your posts, if you cannot see then you are truly blind. I do not know any of the posters in this thread, I come as a new poster and had no prior knowledge of you. I do not say this in isolation - when you are being corrected by 3 or more Christians you seriously have to take take stock and pray for discernment.

No, you're the one who said regarding me questioning Hagee's teachings, "Pull the huge plank from your own eye so that you can pick out the speck in your brother's eye".

Again you put words in my mouth, I said nothing about Hagee, here again you need to see clearly..........

"I do accept when people correct me, but it has only happened once".

Do you truly think you have only been wrong once? You make a mistake everyday Mike as we all do - being born into sin. You need to drop the holier than thou attitude. Brother you need to stop imposing YOUR will on others and let God's will come through.

Said in peace

NarrowGate

 

[MikeMcK]

Mike, What specifically do you object to John hagee about ?

You mean in addition to the things that I've already explained that I object to?

 

[MikeMcK]

Brother take the scales off your eyes and look at your posts, if you cannot see then you are truly blind.

So then, I don't see it and I'm blind, but you're unable to see it and you see just fine?

Again you put words in my mouth, I said nothing about Hagee, here again you need to see clearly..........

As you very well know, we were discussing Hagee.

Do you truly think you have only been wrong once? You make a mistake everyday Mike as we all do - being born into sin. You need to drop the holier than thou attitude. Brother you need to stop imposing YOUR will on others and let God's will come through.

OK, so then, how is it that the panel of men who have gone over everything that I've taught for the last several years with a fine tooth comb have only found one thing in all of those years, and you're not able to name one thing that I've taught that was in error?

How is it that none of the people who have even sat in my classes or heard my sermons (many of them much more knowledgable about the scriptures and doctrinal matters than I) have never brought anything to my attention?

I'm sorry, but I'm from a church where the word of God is taken very seriously and I know for a fact that I would be not only corrected immediately, but removed and not allowed to teach or preach at all if I were teaching heresy.

If you're going to accuse me of teaching heresy every day, then it's incumbent upon you to give an example.

Thank you, but I'll take their word over yours, especially since you have not been able to give one example.

 

[MikeMcK]

Good post

Every christian in a Leadership or any sort of role that is above others should be prepared to be accountable to others and corrected when needed

I agree. It's an informal panel that we have, but still one that we take very seriously.

I like it for several reasons.

The first is that I would truly be heartbroken if I were to teach or preach something that goes against God's word. I appreciate that it helps me to grow in God's word and to make sure that the things I preach and teach stay faithful to God's word.

The second is that the Bible says that preachers and teachers are held to a much higher level of acountability because we've been entrusted with the dissemination of God's word to His people. I am grateful for the opportunity to repent of the sin of heresy and to be able to correct it publically, lest it cause somebody else to stumble.

Like I said, it's very rare that someone is found to be teaching outright falsely, mostly it's just a matter of fine tuning, but it does happen and I believe that accountability in this area is a much too often neglected ministry in the church.

 

[TheNarrowGate]

MIKEM Yes I must come to the conclusion you are blind. I say you are a RELIGIOUS BULLY but you keep bleating about yourself being a false teacher. It is you calling yourself the false teacher it is not me, I am calling you a RELIGIOUS BULLY. Has that sunk in now, good let us continue.

Here's just a handful of some of the recent shameful posts of your RELIGIOUS BULYING:

You posted in the thread "How do you know you're not one of the bad guys" to poster called Catholicism:

"Roght. Other than praying to Mary, building statues of dead saints and praying to them, purgatory, indulgences, confession to priests for absolution, penance, the necessity of rituals for salvation, transsubstantiation, the idea that the church is based on Peter, the infallibility of the pope, infant baptism, praying for the dead, the idea that no one can be saved outside of the Roman Catholic church, the "sin of presumption", etc, the Catholic church has done a great job interpreting the scriptures."

Or how about this one in: 'Calling things that are not as though they are':

"And don't ever expect Tatu to admit that he wouldn't know the Bible if somebody smacked him in the head with it."

Or how about this one from this very thread, posted to yet another different Christian:

"OK. Now that we've established that Lismore doesn't know what is meant by "essentials of the faith", do you?"

Mike are you starting to see now? - it's the 'mean-spirited' way you talk to fellow Christians, trying to brow-beat them into your submission. You need to start with love and understanding, not brow-beating and bullying.

How is it that none of the people who have even sat in my classes or heard my sermons (many of them much more knowledgable about the scriptures and doctrinal matters than I) have never brought anything to my attention?

Then I say these people have not seen how you're bullying fellow Christians in this forum! Let's show them some of these shameful posts of yours!

 

[lismore]

What part of "In fact, this passage isn't even referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as it's commonly practiced in the church today" did you not get?

.

Mikem, are you able to tell me why you dont believe the Holy Spirit baptism is correctly used today?

 

[lismore]

Hi Narrowgate

Welcome to the forums!

 

[TheNarrowGate]

Hello Lismore

Thanks for the welcome.

 

[churchlady]

Uh, Mike...........have you found that scripture on "essential" yet?

That's okay, Mike. Forget it. We couldn't find it either.





Welcome to the Forum, Narrowgate! Too bad your first conversation had to be on this thread. MikeMcK was away from this forum for awhile and now is back. The last thread I remember him from, was one in which he had a back and forth encounter with Riverpastor.

Riverpastor is one who exhibits the fruit of the Spirit more than most anyone on this SPC forum, and yet Mike treated him with the same contempt that you have witnessed on this thread.

 

[MikeMcK]

I say you are a RELIGIOUS BULLY but you keep bleating about yourself being a false teacher. It is you calling yourself the false teacher it is not me, I am calling you a RELIGIOUS BULLY. Has that sunk in now, good let us continue.

Actually, I've never called myself a false teacher. I am asking you to back up your claims of me being a false teacher.

Here's just a handful of some of the recent shameful posts of your RELIGIOUS BULYING:

You posted in the thread "How do you know you're not one of the bad guys" to poster called Catholicism:

And how is that being a "religious" bully? Does Catholicism not teach these things?

Or how about this one in: 'Calling things that are not as though they are':

I notice that you conveniently forgot to mention that that post was facetious and only meant to point out how nasty and unfair his post toward me was.

Fortunately for me, the people in that thread had the basic reading comprehension skills to see that.

Or how about this one from this very thread, posted to yet another different Christian:

And what was so mean about that? Lismore did demostrate that he did not what what is meant by the "essential doctrines of the Christian faith".

Mike are you starting to see now? - it's the 'mean-spirited' way you talk to fellow Christians, trying to brow-beat them into your submission. You need to start with love and understanding, not brow-beating and bullying.

You still haven't shown how it's brow beating and bullying to point out what Roman Catholicism teaches or to ask someone what the essentials of the faith are.

Just as you still haven't shown what I've taught that's in error.

Then I say these people have not seen how you're bullying fellow Christians in this forum! Let's show them some of these shameful posts of yours!

Actually, one of the men in that group posts on CF and has participated in many threads with me. I'm sure he would tell me if he thought I said something wrong.

And, speaking of your hypocrisy, don't you think it's a little funny that you have no problem going through my posts, and yet, you've disabled the "find all posts" option in your profile so that we can't examine yours in the same way?

What are you so afraid of?

 

[lismore]

And what was so mean about that? Lismore did demostrate that he did not what what is meant by the "essential doctrines of the Christian faith".

Now that you have 'proved' I dont know what it means to be A christian, are you going to answer the question I have asked you 15 times?

What is it about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that you dont think is for today?

What part of "In fact, this passage isn't even referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as it's commonly practiced in the church today" did you not get?

 

[psalms 91]

If there is more than one telling you this then it is wise to examine yourself and see if unintentiuonally your words are promoting this concept, again i say you and not us. This is not the first time I have noticed you being accussed this way so it might be worth examining. Perhaps with someone you trust to judge fairly.