I just can't believe anymore.

[IamIam1232]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

 

[help_the_lord]

Hello, I'm sorry to hear about your recent battles with your faith.. and since I have some pretty powerful testimony I felt it necessary that I post here. I am a Messanic so clearly I belive the same as you about the Sabbath and the name Yashua, anyone thats not really why I'm here *though you should keep in mind Messianics share the same stand points you do*.

Anyways you said

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

to which I have had some pretty crazy stuff happen to me, which helps to assure my faith 100%.. and I felt like sharing it with you not guarenteeing its going to reaffirm your faith but I hope it can at least help.

To start my name is Robert James Morgan I'm only sharing this with you because it will become relevant to my testamony. Anywho two years ago I was an agnostic who had no idea is God was real or any of the like. I was your typical sinner living with a girl I wasn't married to, drinking and smoking weed/cigs. Anywho I had met a buddy of mine through a pool league who was big into conspiracy theory stuff.. he got me interested in it when he told me Jay-Z was a black Mason and was in the illuminati.. I started doing a ton of research on that and some other stuff.. long story short it led me to belive the devil was real.. With that being said I went onto the church of satan website to find out more about satan and his beliefs.. and I came to find that I didn't agree with him or his agenda.. on the site however I did notice the high priestess of the church of satan site was bashing Jesus Christ of Nazareth. To which I decided if the church of satan was acknowledging him as being real he must be so I decided to read the bible. So i started reading in Genesis when all the sudden a voice started speaking to me in old english I asked it why it was speaking in that tone and it said thats how you would perceive the voice of God to which i responded can you speak to me in regular english because I don't understand a word your saying. The voice said sure I created all tongues I'll speak to you in whatever language you like. At which point it started narrating Genesis to me and explaining what was going on. I started to think I was crazy so I asked for a sign that I was really talking to God and not just imagining things. Low and behold every time I closed my eyes for the next few days while the voice was speaking I would see a bright gold glowing outline of a cross with the outline of Yashua on it. So I was fairly certain this was really happening.. I was a vegetarian at the time and God told me don't worry about eating me he would bless it for me *I had watched some stuff that made me think meat was gross and would make me sick*. Anyways a couple weeks prior to this I had a dream that I was eating a bacon pizza.. I remember it woke me up out of my sleep because I thought it was ridiculous. After telling my then girlfriend that I was going to start eating meat again she went to work as usual (she worked at blockbuster and a pizza place). That night she came home from the Pizza place with dinner that she had brought which turned out to be a bacon mushroom and onion pizza. Anyways I thought that was cool and continued to talk to God, I was living with her at a buddys house at the time I had a 6 month old pitbull puppy... My buddy had a 6 month old boxer puppy and I couldn't bring the dogs within 10 feet of each other because they tried to kill each other every time. So I said to god can you make these dogs be friends *once again I was eager to see if I was really talking to god or just imagining things*. To which he said to me sure bring the dogs together there going to try to kill each other worse than they ever have.. than pull them apart and put them back together.. they'll become friends.. I was like ok what do I have to lose so i put them together with the help of my gf.. they tried to kill each other going for each others necks and what not; so i put the one back in the cage and the other in my buddys room. I told Holly we had to put the dogs back together and she was like no way im doing that again Im tired from working and I don't want anything to do with this. So i was like ok and i started doing the dishes God was like your not finished you have to put the dogs back together. So I said to him uh u sure? Holly doesnt want to help and he said yeah do it by yourself. So I brought the boxer upstairs to the kennel where the pitbull was. I said now what he told me just open the door. So I did I opened the door and just stood back, ready in case I had to spring into action. But I didn't have to.. the dogs started sniffing each others buts and crotchs and then began licking each other.. after which they started running around the house playing with toys.. they were best freinds from that point forward. God went on to explain to me that I had a calling and he told me what it was. I dont' wish to share what it is because it's something I prefer to keep to myself. Anyways my dog pooped in his cage and my buddy decreed the dog would have to stay outside in his cage in my gfs car for the remainder of our stay there because he didn't want him in the house. Keep in mind this was december or january and it was like -degrees outside. I told God i was very unhappy with this but he told me not to worry the dog would be fine.. and told me that 7 days later my buddy would change his mind. The dog was fine for that whole week then on the 7th day my buddy was like "theres supposed to be really bad weather tonight its only going to be X degrees outside *i dont remember the exact temp* anyways he was like why don't you bring diesel back inside. So I did and he didn't ask him to be put in the car for the remainder of our stay. I was unemployed at the time and was living there because my mom had kicked me out of her house, with that being said about the time I was required to move out of my buddys I had a dream that I was living at my moms again.. So I figured that was a sign and asked my mom if I could move back.. she said yes and low and behold I went and lived there again. I spent alot of time reading the bible.. my mom was harping on me to get a job I told her don't worry God would provide me with one... shes yeah right! So i sent my resume to one place and went to read Timonthy I got like 2 pages in and got a call asking me to go in for an inteview. I went for it and got invited back for a round 2 inteview. God told me I'd get a job at the place.. I was stoked.. anyways I went in for the round 2 interview and the guy told me they would be doing a background check.. I was worried because my license was suspended.. I asked God to help me and through a miracle involving the secretary of state and my girlfriends checkbook I was able to get it back the same day. Anyways weeks go by and I dont hear anything from the company.. then eventually months I was confused but I stayed certain that I would get a job working for them. New years Eve rolls around and me and Holly had to go watch her moms dogs at her house.. she surprised me with a bible she had bought me.. and we watched the ball drop etc.. later that night i'm lying in bed looking through the bible she had bought when I noticed it had an introduction I read through it and then I happened across the sinners prayer.. afterwords it said something along the lines of if this prayer helped you feel free to visit my website at www.robertJmorgan.com then it said enjoy the book sincerely Robert J Morgan Nashville Tenesee. Which goes back to what I said about my name being Robert J Morgan. I took a pic of the bible and linked it here in case you want to see it ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting. It was with my poor resolution camera phone so the quality is kinda bad. Anyways I put an application for another job on craigslist a couple months later and was called in for an interview.. to my surprise it was at the same place as before.. and not so much to my surprise I ended up getting the job. So after staying faithful to his promise that I would get a job there I did, Over 6 months later. Since then I've had a bunch of dreams about things that would happen in my future.. alot of which have already come to pass and some of which that have yet to come to pass.. including a dream showing my future wife. Who I have since met through a business trip to Virginia but have yet to start dating let alone marry. I've also had a bunch of other miracle esq stuff happen to me to bring my faith to an unshakable point where I'm willing to stand here and guarentee you God and Yashua are real. I hope reading this will help you stick it out and look for God more in your life. PS I would recommend looking into a Messanic service near you since you are into the sabbath and the like. God bless!

 

[xAmadeusx]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

So... You were under the impression that everything would be easy?

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

So? Whatever you choose to call him, he's the son of god.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

A doctrine taken from a lifetime of research, dedictation and debate on scripture, decided upon by a counsel of men much smarter than you or I. It is simply a sign of worship

.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

Out of 7 days god demands one day without working. You won't burn in hell if you get it wrong.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

So? What does Judging your pastor have to do with faith? Not everyone can cook.

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Christmas as a holiday has been horribly corrupted and the date makes no sense (it was changed to correspond to a pagan holiday to help convert people) So i will agree with you there.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

Have you read acts? It's all explained there if you cared enough to read, but I guess it's too much of a "hassle"

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

So if you've been a dedicated Christian all your life, and make one mistake and sin before you die you should burn in hell? You should do more research on mercy and salvation.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

Thats nice, he's not a true bible-believer then is he?

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

*Gasp* God wont grant you what you wan't the second you ask for it? Have you ever considered thinking about someone other than yourself? Try being grateful for what God HAS given you.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

Good for you.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I KNOW god has spoken to me, and I've only been a christian for a few weeks.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Thats what your youth pastor believes. Many Christians believe in evolution.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

Okay, bye. I hope Jesus comes back to you one day and opens your mind so you don't believe the words of a couple people and a few discrepancies discredit all of christianity.

.

 

[pre-trib]

Without faith it is impossible to please God

If you will search for the Lord with all of you heart ,mind , and soul,...you will find Him.He will make Himself known to you. He is not just some figment of man's imagination

 

[visionary]

You sound like you are convicted as I was.. and I have found a group that came to the same convictions... check out Messianic Judaism here on CF... welcome home prodical son..

 

[Tishri1]

welcome home

 

[yedida]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

Come on over the the Messianic Judaism forums. The people there are great. We observe the commands of God that we can, and we worship and have the best time on Sabbath. We also observe the Feasts of the Lord as found in Lev 23. Basically, we are trying to walk the same walk as Yeshua and his apostles after him.
There are people in the MJ forum that you can talk to about the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible. We are award that they are there, no sense in pretending that they are not.
I think you'd find alot of joy and shalom there.

 

[INTJ-F]

You are at the point I was when I left the baptist church and became a Messianic believer - YEARS before I know Messianic Judaism existed and before I knew anyone else believed the same as I did (long before the internet)

Glad to see God opened your eyes to His truth! check out the Messianic Judaism forum here on CF (don't have to be Jewish - I'm a gentile snf there are many other gentilesin MJ too)

 

[A_Pioneer]

IAMIAM1232,

Yogi Bera said "Deja vu all over again", You will see what I mean when you read "Bob's Surprise".
I'll send it to you by PM if you want!

Come over to MJ, think you'll like it! Visionary, Yedida, Tishri1 and INJT-F and I are members of it and have similar testimonies.
Find the Real Jesus/Yeshua!

 

[TanteBelle]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

Wow! This is amazing! I think most Messianics can share what you feel. I agree with just about everything you said. Jesus isn't His name; infact, it's not even in the original KJV! I don't keep Sunday, Christmas or anything of the like, I don't believe scripture backs up the trinity at all, and I really could go on. You've recieved revelation on truth. You can't throw the truth out and ignore it if you've already been convicted about it. Keep pushing on and searching it out more! If you want to have a chat to talk about things that you find confusing, you can PM me. But yeah, check out the Messianic forum and you'll find that there are so many more of us in the world who have come to the same revelations. Revelation comes by the grace of the Holy Spirit, keep in mind.

May Abba above bless you with His shalom!

 

[MessianicMommy]

I won't say much, right now other than WELCOME HOME. Big hugs to you. Stay strong and start hitting the books and studying it. If that's where you need to be right now, that is 100% perfectly all right. Get yourself sorted FIRST before taking on any doctrinal or dogma type arguments. That's the whole point of being grounded before being set loose to go and make other disciples.

I have been there, I have done that, and I am still struggling. You know what, that's ok! It's great to struggle, eventually I'll come out on top, and things will smooth out. I think that's part and parcel of our faith actually.

 

[yedida]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

IAmIAm,
It's me again. I wanted to tell you that I (and those in MJ forum) agree with you about Christianity (or churchianity, as I call it). It's a religion not of Jesus, but a religion about him Then lots of other people came along andl added their own 2cents worth to it, until we get what we have today. A big mess, that is nothing like what Yeshua had in mind.
Come on over to MJ and learn about the Judaism that Yeshua followed.
You can be open about your doubts, you can ask any question that is on your mind without any fear of getting banged over the head with the bible. All questions are welcomed and answered as best we can, or we'll all dig into the scriptures together to try to find the answers.

 

[TanteBelle]

IAmIAm,
It's me again. I wanted to tell you that I (and those in MJ forum) agree with you about Christianity (or churchianity, as I call it). It's a religion not of Jesus, but a religion about him invented by a man named Paul. Then lots of other people came behind Paul and all added their own 2cents worth to it, until we get what we have today. A big mess, that is nothing like what Yeshua had in mind.
Come on over to MJ and learn about the Judaism that Yeshua followed.
You can be open about your doubts, you can ask any question that is on your mind without any fear of getting banged over the head with the bible. All questions are welcomed and answered as best we can, or we'll all dig into the scriptures together to try to find the answers.

I don't wish to start a debate here, but unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't think adding the controversy regarding Paul on here is either necessary or appropriate because personally, I'm against the idea that Paul is anti-Yeshua or torah or the rest of scripture. And to be honest, I think it a very dangerous idea to start bagging Paul. If I did misunderstand you, ma'am, please let me know and forgive my misunderstanding!

 

[Rascus]

Hello my fellow Christian.....
I say that because I do believe that once God begins a good work in a person....he completes it! Really sorry for what seem to you like major battles....mostly in doctrine.....but just remember that the Lord is never going to give you any more than you are capable of dealing with. Ive been where you are to an extent and at times still fight some of those battles....and keep in mind that probably 90% of them are spiritual battles as Satan is a pretty good deciever of people....Christians in particular....he will put a thought in someones way and it seems like it may take heavy equipment to get rid of that stumblingblock....just have faith in The Holy Spirit to lead you and counsel in all paths....

Proverbs 3:5-7 tells us "5 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart. 6 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 7 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and
lean not unto thine own understanding."

IamIam....I really hope that the couple verses from Proverbs do help you....I know they have certainly given me strentgh when I thought I had no more! May the Lord Bless you always and keep you in the Faith.......

Rascus

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

 

[yedida]

I don't wish to start a debate here, but unless I'm misunderstanding you, I don't think adding the controversy regarding Paul on here is either necessary or appropriate because personally, I'm against the idea that Paul is anti-Yeshua or torah or the rest of scripture. And to be honest, I think it a very dangerous idea to start bagging Paul. If I did misunderstand you, ma'am, please let me know and forgive my misunderstanding!

You read me wrong. I believe that Paul was a Torah-observant Jew. But I do believe that Rome destroyed what he worked so hard to do when they re-created the sect of Judaism known as The Way into what we know today as christianity.

 

[boogalaboogala]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.
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I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

so go.. i agree with you, that you should move on.. i mean the very fact that you can walk away is proof, that you never were one of us to begin with..
you see the truth is, that if you were a born again christian, then you would have faith enough to believe.. but, you say you don't..
you mentioned Jesus' name.. well just so you know those are two different languages.. just as God is called YHWH or YAHWEH, He is also called Jehovah.. again two different languages.. and you mentioned that the bible does not mention trinity anywhere.. you are right.. but, it does give several examples of the trinity. i mean what about when Christ was baptized.. or how about the gospel of john.. it is all about the trinity..try reading john 1.. it tells you plainly who Jesus is..
before you sign off, i do wanna tell you, that i see you as very angry.. i mean you said so yourself. you are uninformed and i might add self centered.. and i am telling you this because i actually care what happens to you..
let me just ask you this.. why not give it some time.. hang around and do everything you can to disprove christianity.. you will of course need to actually read the bible.. which we both know you have never done.. your decisions are base on hear say, and not from studying for yourself..
i also want to ask you if you really care what day His birthday was on.. i am so over joyed to celebrate the birth of our Lord and saviour, that i will celebrate on any day that you like.. i am sure that Jesus does not mind.., and as far as the sabbath being sunday or not.. i would suggest that before you scrutinize us for saying it is on this day or that.. you might wanna practice keeping it.. do that first and then you might have a better argument..
honestly all that i got from reading your testimony, is that you are a hurt boy.. i gather from the over all tone that you have an axe to grind.. that is between you and God..
i can tell you that God is merciful.. i cannot imagine Him turning His back on you, ever..even if you walk away..
your hurt.. we all go through that.. i get so angry with Him sometimes that i scream at Him.. that is when He is the most silent..
you do know that this whole God thing is not about us, right..
i mean if you really wanna break it down. it is about a Father giving His Son a gift.. and that gift is a bride.. us of course being that bride.. but, what makes us so significant is that His Son payed a dowry for the bride..and that dowry was His life.. that's right.. he gave it all.. and that is why the Father sees us as so special.. but the Son sees us as so special, because we were a gift from His Father..
so it isn't even about us.. it is all about God..
anyhow, i pray that you do find what you are looking for. be it with us or not..

 

[boogalaboogala]

You read me wrong. I believe that Paul was a Torah-observant Jew. But I do believe that Rome destroyed what he worked so hard to do when they re-created the sect of Judaism known as The Way into what we know today as christianity.

my question is why do you remain on this site if you are so antiChrist..

 

[boogalaboogala]

I don't feel like writing a whole wall of text about this, but simply put; believing is more of a hassle now and I just can't do it anymore.
.

I don't want to start listing all the conflicts that the bible has with Christianity, but to name a few:

Jesus' name isn't his real name, its a transliteration and means absolutely nothing. His real name is Yahshua.

The bible doesn't mention anything about "trinity". Another Christian doctrine.

The sabbath is NOT on Sunday.

The "now" senior pastor of our church can't even cook a meal for his family and relies on flipping subway and pizza to feed his family when his wife was sick. (sort've unrelated but still had me angry.)

Jesus was not born on christmas day.

Sure people will say I'm nitpicking and I should just "look past all this", but frankly, I can't. I can't help but wonder why there are so many contradiction. Not to mention the word christian/christianity is only mentioned twice in the bible, yet every christian I ask as to why we're called christian just mention "we're christ followers, or little christ", but can never answer as to why its never mentioned in the bible.

And you want to know what bugs me even more?

Here, I'll even quote it.

"If there's anyone here who would like to accept Jesus, please raise your hand and come to the front." Heck, as long as your sincere, YOU'RE SAVED.

Wow, that was so easy, no dedication or hard work or anything.

I talked to this bible-believer a while ago who opposed Christianity, he called it : MCdonalds-cheap-salvation. It's true too.

I've tried real hard in the past to have a relationship with Jesus and you know what I've realized over the years? It hasn't changed anything in my life. Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty optimistic person and I always make sure I can get the most from life especially when it comes to food and health. But it never made my life any better or any worse. It just felt like me wasting my time.

I can say with confidence I don't believe in Christianity at all, but the Bible I still have a bit of faith in. Even if its extremely vague.

I'm really curious how you Christians even know if its God speaking to you or if its just yourself willing yourself in to thinking what you'd expect or want God to say.

I remember one of my youth pastor asking us what god had showed them that week. He told us that god had revealed that the world was only 6000 years old because he counted the lineage from adam to the present. Except this entirely conflicts with science AND he's probably never heard of the Gap Theory either.

Anyways, I just can't do it anymore.

so go.. i agree with you, that you should move on.. i mean the very fact that you can walk away is proof, that you never were one of us to begin with..
you see the truth is, that if you were a born again christian, then you would have faith enough to believe.. but, you say you don't..

 

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