I have got questions for you!!!!!!!!!

[DarkNLovely]

'Sup Calvinists! What's brewin'? Nothing but good stuff I do hope! So I got some quesions that I would like you to help me with please!

Do Calvints have any particualr teaching on the head covering for women?

How do you view marriage?

How do you view saints and Mary?

Do you beliee in the Perpetual Virginity?

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

Do you believe in dancing, listening music, television, playing cards, drinking alcohol and smoking?

How do you view that Bible and tradition in realation to one another?

Is this not a funny picture?

 

[Epiphoskei]

How do you view saints and Mary?

Sinners saved by grace. Good to respect, bad to make statues of them.

Do you beliee in the Perpetual Virginity?

No

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

Limited atonement means that Christ actually saved his own, not that Christ only extends the gospel call to some. We also extend the Gospel call and promise to all, that if you believe you will be saved.

Do you believe in dancing, listening music, television, playing cards, drinking alcohol and smoking?

Generally these are not big issues.

How do you view that Bible and tradition in realation to one another?

Traditions can be helpful. They're not infallable authority.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Do Calvints have any particualr teaching on the head covering for women?

None of the reformed churches I know or visited make a big deal out of this. Maybe some really traditional reformed church somewhere still holds to this but it would be extremely rarer.

How do you view marriage? Uh one man and one woman.

How do you view saints and Mary? They are humans just like the rest of us.

Do you beliee in the Perpetual Virginity? No...were not RCC dude

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

Limited Atonnement just means that Christ died for his elect. That means that God works through us to reach his elect as we are all responsible of the great commision to declare christ to the world.

Do you believe in dancing, listening music, television, playing cards, drinking alcohol and smoking? Normally it's not a big deal.

How do you view that Bible and tradition in realation to one another?

The scripture it's the ultimate authority although tradition like other sources are important as well.

Is this not a funny picture? No...

jk...

 

[DarkNLovely]

Thank you guys! You get cool points!

 

[larryjf]

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

I find this question interesting because it presumes that some Christians don't believe in limited atonement...and really only the Universalist type believe that all people will be saved.

Calvinists limit the atonement in its intent, believing that God only intends to save the elect.
non-Calvinists limit the atonement in its power, believing that it only creates a possibility of salvation but doesn't actually accomplish it.

 

[arunma]

I think the others here have given excellent, Bible-based responses to your questions. Please allow me to address this one in specific.

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

Though we call ourselves Calvinists, our ultimate authority is the Bible. The Bible states that non-Christians have absolutely no possibility of salvation whatsoever. Therefore Calvinists, as Bible-believing Christians, are among the first to preach the Gospel to the unsaved. No one ought to be denied the opportunity to hear the good news of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, because without it they will surely perish in hell.

 

[DD2008]

I find this question interesting because it presumes that some Christians don't believe in limited atonement...and really only the Universalist type believe that all people will be saved.

Calvinists limit the atonement in its intent, believing that God only intends to save the elect.
non-Calvinists limit the atonement in its power, believing that it only creates a possibility of salvation but doesn't actually accomplish it.

I'm learning that one main difference is in the understanding of what the atonement actually does. Does it save, or does something need to be added to it to save (like a decision, condition, or work)? Presupposing that some humans will spend eternity in hell, if the atonement actually saves in and of itself simply by the good will of God then people believe it is limited in scope but not in effectiveness. If people believe something needs to be added to it then people believe it is limited in effectiveness but not in scope. The only other alternative is to say that all people are saved by the atonement and no one will go to hell. So, the presupposition that some will spend eternity in hell must be done away with if the atonement is anything other than limited in some way or another.

My question is this:

What are the scriptures that support that there will indeed be humans that will spend eternity in hell? Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding on the final damnation. Maybe no one is actually going to go to hell? I can think of many that point out there is a hell but I'm not placing any that say some HUMANS will absolutley in the end spend eternity there. Hell seems to be a place reserved for the fallen angles and people will go there without Christ because it seems to be the "place of outer darkness". I assume the place where God is not. So how do we know for sure people will be there with the fallen angels for eternity?

 

[the particular baptist]

I understand that there is the beliefe in Limited Atonement so do you guys do missions or try to convert others or anything like that?

Epiphoskei, ReformedChapin, larryjf, and arunma said it very well. If i can offer a verse that would sum up this calvinists view of evangelism and missions it would be Acts 17:30-31

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now He commands all people everywhere to repent, because He has fixed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed; and of this He has given assurance to all by raising Him from the dead.

The people who turn to God, repent, and believe the Gospel are the people called by God, the elect.

 

[larryjf]

My question is this:

What are the scriptures that support that there will indeed be humans that will spend eternity in hell? Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding on the final damnation. Maybe no one is actually going to go to hell? I can think of many that point out there is a hell but I'm not placing any that say some HUMANS will absolutley in the end spend eternity there. Hell seems to be a place reserved for the fallen angles and people will go there without Christ because it seems to be the "place of outer darkness". I assume the place where God is not. So how do we know for sure people will be there with the fallen angels for eternity?

Rev 20:14-15
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[DD2008]

Rev 20:14-15
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

So, if that is the case and people will indeed go to hell, then there is no option other than to believe in limited atonement either in effectiveness or in scope.

 

[DD2008]

Limited Atonement of one kind or another as a biblical fact seems to be an obvious conclusion.

If we suppose the final reckoning is the good will of God and trust in his will and judgement, is it a sin for us to hope and pray for the salvation of all mankind?

 

[Epiphoskei]

I suppose that depends on exactly what you're praying. Praying for universalist salvation obviously is going to be fruitless, but then again, who prays for universalim? Universalists think it's certain to happen, and the rest of us know it won't, so I don't think I've ever heard anyone ask God for universalism.

However, we certainly may and ought to pray for anyone and everyone we see or hear about to be saved by being brought to faith.

 

[larryjf]

Limited Atonement of one kind or another as a biblical fact seems to be an obvious conclusion.

If we suppose the final reckoning is the good will of God and trust in his will and judgement, is it a sin for us to hope and pray for the salvation of all mankind?

It's a godly prayer to pray for the salvation of all men...since we don't know the hidden will of God we can't know who are the reprobate.

It would be a sin if we would pray for those who have already passed on in death, but for the living we can always pray!

 

[DD2008]

I think I might be a Calvinist.

 

[Epiphoskei]

I think I might be a Calvinist.

Yeah, that sounds about the same way I sounded when I discovered what I was.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I think I might be a Calvinist.

come to the dark side

 

[Epiphoskei]

come to the dark side

Yes. We have cookies.

 

[arunma]

My question is this:

What are the scriptures that support that there will indeed be humans that will spend eternity in hell? Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding on the final damnation. Maybe no one is actually going to go to hell? I can think of many that point out there is a hell but I'm not placing any that say some HUMANS will absolutley in the end spend eternity there. Hell seems to be a place reserved for the fallen angles and people will go there without Christ because it seems to be the "place of outer darkness". I assume the place where God is not. So how do we know for sure people will be there with the fallen angels for eternity?

There are many passages in the Bible which state that unbelievers will go to hell. Larry quoted one. Here is another:

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' (Matthew 25:41)
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Matthew 25 contains parables about sin and judgment, and states that some people will be condemned in their sin. Jesus said to the Jewish leaders,

So he said to them again, "I am going away, and you will seek me, and you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come." (John 8:21)
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There aren't many people in the Bible who are specifically condemned to hell, but here is one example. Furthermore, we all know of people who died apart from faith in Christ, but who instead trusted in other religions. The Bible says that apart from faith in Jesus, there is no salvation. Being a good Jew or a good atheist does not save one's soul. So it would be very erroneous for us to say that hell is empty.

 

[DarkNLovely]

Wait a minute! Hold on, hold on! I thought that Limited Atonement meant that you believe that God chose certain people to go to heaven and certain people to go to hell. So the reason I asked "Do you do missions?" is because if we are all destined for our fate anyway, what's the point? But are you telling me now that when you say "Christ died for the elect!" You mean that he died for those who choose salvation, and not necessarily those He hand-picked? I'm so confusued! My poor little brain!

 

[DarkNLovely]

Yes. We have cookies.

COOKIES!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! Oh Epophoskei! You shouldn't have told me that! I'm a COOKIE MONSTER!!!!