I have an idea VictorC...

[k4c]

Nothing in response to the testimony of Scripture, other than a red herring?
You can take up your complaint with Paul, who clearly explained in a number of passages how God delivered us from the ten commandments and called it abolished.

Really...!

 

[VictorC]

I admitted the truth that God's Law is eternal.

This is false, and does not reflect your admission that God's "My law" is not according to Sinai.

 

[RND]

Nothing in response to the testimony of Scripture, other than a red herring?
You can take up your complaint with Paul, who clearly explained in a number of passages how God delivered us from the ten commandments and called it abolished.

Man, K4C is hammering your theology, or lack of theology I should say. Since the Ten Commandments have been abolished Victor then I'd imagine you'd have no problem with someone if they broke into your home and stole you TV, or your wife. You good with that?

 

[k4c]

This is false, and does not reflect your admission that God's "My law" is not according to Sinai.

God's Law is the essence of man even before Mt.Sinai. Remember, the Law on stone was added because of transgressions. Transgressions, what transgressions????

Sorry...

 

[VictorC]

Nope. He wrote His laws on our hearts so we wouldn't be compelled to sacrifice sheep.

Which Jeremiah 31:32 and Hebrews 8:9 testify isn't according to Sinai. God referred to His law with a possessive pronoun, and it isn't a reference to the ten commandments.

Obvious proof then that the Ten Commandments still stand in that Christ died because of them! If the law could have been so easily removed then Christ need not have died.

Adventism doesn't recognize Christ's propitiation: He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant (Hebrews 9:15). Your concession to the Adventist rendition of an unfulfilled law is a denial of Christ's whole reason for the cross (Galatians 4:4-5).

 

[VictorC]

God's Law is the essence of man even before Mt.Sinai.

This is false, and does not reflect your admission that God's "My law" is not according to Sinai.

 

[VictorC]

Man, K4C is hammering your theology, or lack of theology I should say. Since the Ten Commandments have been abolished Victor then I'd imagine you'd have no problem with someone if they broke into your home and stole you TV, or your wife. You good with that?

See Paul's conclusion that your condemnation is justified in Romans 3:7-8.

 

[RND]

Which Jeremiah 31:32 and Hebrews 8:9 testify isn't according to Sinai. God referred to His law with a possessive pronoun, and it isn't a reference to the ten commandments.

Yes, I agree He wrote a Magnified law on our hearts.

Adventism doesn't recognize Christ's propitiation: He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant (Hebrews 9:15). Your concession to the Adventist rendition of an unfulfilled law is a denial of Christ's whole reason for the cross (Galatians 4:4-5).

On the contrary it reverences and respects His atoning work on the cross. The one who knew no sin dying for sinners....er, lawbreakers!

 

[VictorC]

Yes, I agree He wrote a Magnified law on our hearts.

So what does it refer to, if not Sinai?

 

[RND]

See Paul's conclusion that your condemnation is justified in Romans 3:7-8.

How about just answering the questions Victor?

Since the Ten Commandments have been abolished Victor then I'd imagine you'd have no problem with someone if they broke into your home and stole you TV, or your wife. You good with that?

You OK with sharing your wife with another man since the Ten Commandments have been abolished Victor?

Victor....how many times does a man have to break God's law to be considered a sinner?

 

[k4c]

Which Jeremiah 31:32 and Hebrews 8:9 testify isn't according to Sinai. God referred to His law with a possessive pronoun, and it isn't a reference to the ten commandments.

Adventism doesn't recognize Christ's propitiation: He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant (Hebrews 9:15). Your concession to the Adventist rendition of an unfulfilled law is a denial of Christ's whole reason for the cross (Galatians 4:4-5).

Did Jesus die for the sins of the world or for the commandments of God?

You must believe the government is wrong for putting people in jail for murder.

 

[RND]

So what does it refer to, if not Sinai?

You mean God didn't want us to love Him with all our heart, mind, soul and strength and our neighbors as our self before Sinai?

Really? You want to stick with that?

Did Adam love God with all his heart, mind, soul and strength or love Eve as he loved himself?

 

[RND]

Did Jesus die for the sins of the world or for the commandments of God?

You must believe the government is wrong for putting people in jail for murder.

I know he sees what you write K4C. Just doesn't comprehend it. Good post!

 

[VictorC]

How about just answering the questions Victor?

That was my answer. Paul experienced the same argument you're using, and concluded those using it worthy of condemnation. I don't need to add anything to his conclusion.

 

[VictorC]

So what does it refer to, if not Sinai?

You mean God didn't want us to love Him with all our heart, mind, soul and strength and our neighbors as our self before Sinai?

Really? You want to stick with that?

Did Adam love God with all his heart, mind, soul and strength or love Eve as he loved himself?

Aren't you going to make the smallest effort?
Do you need help?

 

[RND]

That was my answer. Paul experienced the same argument you're using, and concluded those using it worthy of condemnation. I don't need to add anything to his conclusion.

God saw those that would stand on God's word of truth as worthy of condemnation? Really? Then why did Paul reference the Ten Commandments like he did?

 

[VictorC]

Which Jeremiah 31:32 and Hebrews 8:9 testify isn't according to Sinai. God referred to His law with a possessive pronoun, and it isn't a reference to the ten commandments.

Adventism doesn't recognize Christ's propitiation: He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant (Hebrews 9:15). Your concession to the Adventist rendition of an unfulfilled law is a denial of Christ's whole reason for the cross (Galatians 4:4-5).

Did Jesus die for the sins of the world or for the commandments of God?

You must believe the government is wrong for putting people in jail for murder.

This doesn't address the post you quoted. Nor have you offered any response for my first post on this thread. When all you can do is resort to red herrings, it indicates that you don't have a point to make that is based on Scripture.

 

[VictorC]

God saw those that would stand on God's word of truth as worthy of condemnation? Really? Then why did Paul reference the Ten Commandments like he did?

Go and read Romans 3:7-8 for yourself, instead of writing something that exposes your illiteracy further.

 

[k4c]

This is false, and does not reflect your admission that God's "My law" is not according to Sinai.

Let me try to set your mind at ease one more time by answering your question once again.

Here is the verse you are referring to.

Hebrews 8:8-10 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,'' says the Lord. "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Now pay attention because I'm not going to say this again.

Under the old covenant, the Law on stone influenced the actions of man. In this God had to take them by the hand and lead them. Now listen closely, under the new covenant God will lead us by the heart in that He takes that Law on stone and writes it in our hearts and minds.

"For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The whole essence of God's Law is love for God and love for man. When you break God's Law you are actually violating love. Every sin and crime committed in the world has its root in God's Law.

Remember, God is eternal and God is love so His eternal Law reflects His eternal character of which we were created in.

The problem with the Law on stone is that people can obey it yet still not love. This is called, ritualism.

The new covenant changes all that or at least it should if people are taught correctly.

Love fulfills the Law because if we love God we will keep the first four and if we love others will will keep the last six.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

But not only this, through the working of God's Spirit in us we will go way beyond just keeping the Ten Commandments even to the point of laying down our lives for the brethren. Which now takes us into the spirit of the Law, which is love for God and love for man.

1 John 3:16-18 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

 

[RND]

Aren't you going to make the smallest effort?
Do you need help?

Tough questions, I know. Can't handle being backed into a corner Victor?

Tell me Victor did God have a law that required Adam to have faith (obedience) in Him and that lack of obedience was demonstrative of Adam lack of love for God?

You know Victor the best way to expose false theology is to ask questions. I answered you question with a question to get you to see that God has always magnified the law. Always. It has always been God's intention for man to love Him as He loves man. He doesn't do this by force but by demonstration.