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According to Scripture the "day" begins at sunset (evening) and continues for 24 hours, to the next sunset. There was evening and morning, in that order.

Genesis 1:5, "God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day."
 
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Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

I'll accept that, but I wonder why the discrepancy in Jewish literature.
 
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Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

I'll accept that, but I wonder why the discrepancy in Jewish literature.

Here is that same verse in contemporary English: " It is a Sabbath of complete rest for you, and you must humble yourselves on the ninth day of the month in the evening, from evening until evening you must observe your Sabbath.” NET v2.1

What discrepancy are you referring to?
 
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What discrepancy are you referring to?
As I said there are two other concepts of what makes a day in Jewish literature... sunrise to sunset and more popular sunrise to sunrise. This quote from another thread might account for the latter (light to light). Evening falls on the first day. An evening can only occur after light and falls in the middle of the first day, in the special case of the first day, between first light to light again in the morning. Before the light, there was darkness and not an evening.
 
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As I said there are two other concepts of what makes a day in Jewish literature... sunrise to sunset and more popular sunrise to sunrise. This quote from another thread might account for the latter (light to light). Evening falls on the first day. An evening can only occur after light and falls in the middle of the first day, in the special case of the first day, between first light to light again in the morning. Before the light, there was darkness and not an evening.

I don't even understand what this means. The Bible clearly and unequivocally says that "there was evening and then morning..."

"God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day." Genesis 1:5

"God called the expanse “sky.” There was evening, and there was morning, a second day." Genesis 1:8

"There was evening, and there was morning, a third [and fourth and fifth] day." Genesis 1:13, 19, and 23

"God saw all that he had made—and it was very good! There was evening, and there was morning, the sixth day." Genesis 1:31

When Scripture repeats itself it's best to pay attention!
 
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Hi @timothyu

I have to go with @PloverWing. The Jews have, since the days that they came out of Egypt and were given the law, practiced Sabbath from sunset to sunset. I honestly don't know where you heard the other interpretations, but I can assure you that they're wrong.

The Jews have also always counted a day from sunset to sunset. The reason is because when God created the heavens and the earth, He declared that there was 'evening and there was morning'.

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Yet He hadn't created the sun yet.

Hi again @timothyu

That's because the sun has nothing to do with evening and morning. Just as the sun has nothing to do with the time of a day. Evening and morning are the same as our saying a.m. and p.m. If I walk into Walmart at 3a.m. do you know what people greet me with? Good morning! Yet the sun is nowhere in the sky. The time defined as a.m. and p.m. is merely a day divided into equal parts. A day is one rotation of the planet on its axis. So, without the sun even existing, a day will pass in roughly 24 hours upon the earth, so long as the planet is spinning on its axis. That length of time of a day, God, in His infinite wisdom decided to divide into two equal halves. One, He called evening. The other, He called morning.

By the way, at 1 p.m. the sun is about as bright in the sky as it's ever going to be, but that's the p.m. time of the day. Go figure! People seem to always get caught up on there having to be a sun for there to be a day. The sun, is merely a symptom of the day, once it was created. It doesn't in anyway define the length of a day.

God bless,
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So what was this mysterious light that separated the darkness if there was no sun for another three days?

Hi @timothyu

Well, that's the million dollar question for which no one has any sure answer. For me, I believe that it was the presence of God. The Scriptures declare that God is light and God created this realm in which we live. So, when God first 'stepped into', for lack of a better word, this realm of what would be darkness at the time, He was the light. It would be kind of like, "I am here!"

Consider that even now, if all of the planets and all of the stars disappeared, the empty space of the universe would be black inky darkness.

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Hi again @timothyu

Here's my understanding of the creation of this realm in which we live. The empty space that contains all that God created in this realm, has always existed. I mean, it's really nothing. You take away all of the created bodies in the universe; take away all of the distant galaxies and nebulae and comets and asteroids and planets and stars, and you are left with just black, inky nothingness.

I contend that that space of nothingness has always existed, but it is within a different realm of say the angelic realm or the realm in which God lives. So, God steps into this infinite space of nothingness and when He does, there is light and He declares Himself to have come into this realm by declaring, "Let there be light!" In other words, "Let Me (God) exist in this empty, black space."

In that empty black space, God commanded that the earth come to exist and immediately upon its creation it is covered with water and spinning on its axis. There are yet no other single heavenly bodies throughout all of the empty black space that is this new realm. Just the earth, surrounded by the light of God as He is there to create. Then God begins, over the period of the next 5 days, to complete this new realm in which we live.

He commands that the water, that sits upon the earth and totally covers it, to separate and some becomes gaseous and creates a dome that surrounds the earth so that there can be an atmosphere that will be conducive to the ultimate creature that He is going to create: Man. He then calls the water to gather in various places, allowing the dirt underneath to be revealed as land. He then creates all of the flora. The plant life that covers the land part of the earth, and is in the sea. Then He creates all of the myriad of stars. I rather have a picture of Him just spreading all of the stars and planets and nebulae and comets and so forth, all across the universe. For me, it is in this moment that the true power and glory and majesty and wisdom of God is revealed to the utmost degree.

Just as the Scriptures tell us, "The heavens declare the glory of God". The earth is certainly an awesome work of God. Man and all of the animals and plants are also a majestic display of the awesome power and knowledge and wisdom of God. But, according to the Scriptures, it is the heavens that declare to us the ultimate and total glory and power of God.

Anyway, God then continues to build this realm of His creating. Created for the purpose for which God knew He was creating it in the very beginning when He declared, "Let there be light." For the purpose of supporting a creature who would be made in His image with the breath of life in him. A creature that He wanted to love and have relationship with. He creates all of the other animals. Finally, as the last step of His creating...He created man. In His image He created them both male and female that they would live long lives and procreate and build a world of people.

He knew they would sin. And He knew that a Savior would have to save them. Once He finished the work of His creating, He rested, and then He began to work of bringing about His salvation to all mankind.

But there was never any need of a sun for there to have been 6 days or for each day to be defined as two equal halves of an evening and a morning.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi @timothyu

Yes, here we are in our temporary terrarium. :)

That would be one way of looking at it. Thank God it's temporary. Can you even imagine eternal life with all the sin in the world today?

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi @timothyu

Death has it's merits in keeping the fanatics down to an unmanageable dull roar.

Well, and that's likely why sin brings death. If sin were allowed to flourish along with eternal life, we'd be in a real mess by now.

God bless,
Ted
 
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