I have a question that needs an answer.

[winifred]

X141:
Explain in three sentences or less, Why it is,
"Because I go unto the Father"? (John 14:12)

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me,
the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.

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Hi there 'X141',

Our Lord Jesus Christ ascended to the right hand of the Father (Eph. 1:20). The 'right hand' (typifying the actions performed by it) - the right hand of God is a position of power - the highest power, and the most Divine authority.

After our Lord had ascended to present Himself to the Father as the 'Firstfruit' (John 20:17). He returned to minister further to the disciples during the 40 days before He finally ascended into Heaven, it was then that He could say, in Matt. 28:18

'And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

PRAISE GOD!

* The wonderful thing is that we are told in Ephesians 2:6, that 'in God's sight', we have been raised with Him and are seated with Him at God's right hand, now awaiting His appearing in glory, when we too shall appear with Him there. (Col. 3:4)

'If ye then be risen with Christ,
seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above,
not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead,
and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with him in glory.'
(Col.3:1-4)

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

Winnie

 

[triplet347]

You probably shouldn't be measuring greater by the miraculousness of his deeds but rather the deeds of his father.

Wait a minute, Jesus has just performed miracles when he is making this statement. What deeds could He be referring to within the context of the entire passage. He is indeed referring to the miracles He's been performing. So my question is what "greater" deeds is Jesus referring to? I think this is a valid question.

Any thoughts?

 

[x141]

There is no measurment to this place he was returning to which Paul was busying himself to attain. As Jesus aptly put it,

... no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

You can not get there unless you first have come down from there, this there that you already are in. I beleive the works go far beyond healing and such things, it is a work that we are to finish even as our brother had a work to finish even as the Father finished a work and rested. That these things have to do with the nature of God and the revealing of Him, "That they might know that I am God," to the extent of filling everything everywhere with himself, this self that Jesus asked to be glorified with by returning to this One.

 

[Noxot]

I am an example of the grace of God. I have sinned more than paul and so i wonder what the grace of God will do with me. my baby is kicking.

now another sight. I see paul is a similitude as he often is in his letters. the water comes and i can not stop it.

1Tim 1:12-17 (ESV)
(1:12) I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service, (1:13) though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, (1:14) and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. (1:15) The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. (1:16) But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. (1:17) To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

now I see this perfect patience when Christ showed me the past of who i was. I did not understand the mercy but Christ prepared me a way. behold, Christ has the key to the abyss and now i am here. i fell away because of doubt and I know why i was born with certain of my sins. I know his patience because I see his mercy. "there was no way for me for now there is a way" is my name. the blood dripped to the abyss and there my chains are ruined. the coming of things to come is soon here and so now this is shown to me. I still don't understand. I was destroyed twice in one age but Jesus is my salvation. I am the gospel of enoch. the end is near, the last are first and the first are last. I am the church.

the kingdom of God is at hand. we need to forsake everything and be with Christ. when a fire starts, at first it is small, but the end will consume the entire earth.

 

[Ronald]

"What church do you belong to? Jehovah Witness? If so, that explains your theology. If not, what church?"

This statment to me is nakedness. To answer such a question, in me would fulfill the judgment of the wicked.

I'm trying to find out where you learned what you learned. It is a fair question. Any true Christian is proud of their testimony (if they have one) and most that I know are transparent, willing to share their former lives, their special born again experience and the series of events and special ministers by which it came about. You seem to be hiding something! If you do have the Holy Spirit in you, this should be joyfully rendered.

They asked Jesus the same questions, tempting him.

You are not Jesus and I am not asking you to reveal anything that is evil, nor am I tempting you to do anything evil.

 

[x141]

I learned it from the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Father that proceeds from the Father. Jesus ... nope ... Son of God, yes, though aren't you. You should know that all things come down from the Father of lights.
That only the Father reveals the Son and only the Son reveals the Father. You want me to prove I am a Son of God? What proof will I show you, tell me? Jesus said if you've seen me you've seen the Father, John, when you have fellowship with us you have fellowship with the Father and the Son, Paul by the mercy of God I am what I am. You want to find out about me, I don't, I want to find about this One that Jesus reffered to, for us to be glorfied in the Father, in this, Himself.

I can send you something separate if you wish, this thread is not about me.

 

[Noxot]

I know that Jesus is the created son and also the one that is the only begotten son who is also the unbegotten son. first passable and then unpassable. first visible and then invisible. we are images of him as he was first and is always first because without first is a lie. nevertheless some are at a place that want to not know the man Jesus but they want to know the Son of God who is I am that i am and has made us the children that can say I am that i am because he was first before i. but I can say that when we are married to christ that we are as jesus.

it gets harder and harder to communicate things with words without people stumbling when one trys to speak of higher and higher things but thanks be to God who is soon going to make light of the darkness and then we will be more of something that i know not what as even paul speaks as he is alive.

and jesus christ is always speaking in similitudes and riddles and dark sayings because God says that "they would not see anyways without my light so i might as well speak this way to give some grace to them so that they may more turn to me and ask me what i mean." and that is one reason why the old testament seems so harsh.

but then people fail often at that and just call God unloving and I can tell you right now that God is not unloving. if God is unloving then let me go to hell forever, if he is unloving then let me be deleted. if he does not care enough about me to save me from all my hurt and pain then I guess that I am hurt and pain and will always be. the pain is to much, I hate lies, i will not believe in them God makes it so for me. if you look at the face of God, when you look you will see that those were lies and that you can do nothing correct with Him.

i am to a point were I can not bare my own burden and wish it were that I was face to face with God because I don't want to have to be corruptible anymore. I groan so hard for my liberty. I just want this age to end so i can be with my love, wish it were someone would kill me because death is gain. soon this age changes to light but I just want my love, I just want my love i just want my love. i'm love sick and I can't stand it, I wish God would make me die by a sickness.

 

[indekee]

if you believe you can do better works because the next generation is able to do more.