I have a question that needs an answer.

[x141]

Explain in three sentences or less, Why it is, "Because I go unto the Father."

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 

[fm107]

Because if he goes, the Holy Spirit will be sent to abide in them.

John 16:7
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

But also because prayer can then be offered in his name to the Father - something only Jesus could do prior to his ascension into Heaven.

John 16:24
I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[OzSpen]

Explain in three sentences or less, Why it is, "Because I go unto the Father."

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

The works that Jesus did on earth will continue after Jesus ascends to the Father because Jesus lives in all believers.

Because there are more believers than the one Person of Jesus on earth, they will do a greater number of the works that Jesus did.

This is not a good verse for cessationists.

Oz

 

[x141]

In this "Because I go unto the Father" I'm looking for something farther in and farther up, what the Spirit and the Bride say Come to.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Not sure what you are looking for, if something like this or another

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

John 7:39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 17:10... and I am glorified in them.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Isaiah 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.

Speaks of speaking the same things, joined in one mind, as he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit. Which would appear they would speak the same things, "The Spirit and the bride" saying come and he that hears (them) as added to them say come.

Not sure if thats what your looking for hard to tell

 

[x141]

What I'm looking for ...

John 7:39 ... Jesus was not yet glorified

Glorify me with thine own Self ... this self that Jesus is glorifed with, this One, this Father.

How does this relate to us, not the works part, but this Glory. The work we have to finish, even as Father, even as the son, finished his labor we are to bring forth this Life, a work to finish, a labor to finish ... For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

How does this self relate to us and the way back to this self.

 

[Ronald]

... because I go unto my Father.

The purpose of all this: I will die for your sins, rise from the dead and ascend to heaven ... in order that He will send the Holy Spirit to empower you to do these things and live in you and sanctify you for eternal salvation.

 

[Fireinfolding]

You got me, maybe I dont understand the question, but Im not really good at reasoning certain ways with them either

Forget I was here

 

[x141]

The purpose of all this: I will die for your sins, rise from the dead and ascend to heaven ... in order that He will send the Holy Spirit to empower you to do these things and live in you and sanctify you for eternal salvation.

Eternal salvation, righteousness, sanctification etc. put this way becomes little more than merchandise. Please, I'm not trying to be little, both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren ... this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God ... The Father was in the Son yet the Son new there was a rest to return to, to this One, this Self even though he said if you seen me you've see n the Father. He came forth from God and was returning just like the scripture in Isaiah had said. He came to show the way, this, because I go to the Father. The Spirit of Truth proceeds from the Father. Jesus was this Truth, I and my Father are one. All that came before him were liars. This Truth he took to the cross, which is the way back.

I guess I want to see his face so that I do not live.

 

[Noxot]

I guess I want to see his face so that I do not live.

Origen
De Principiis.
Book I.
Chap. III. - On the Holy Spirit.

8. Having made these declarations regarding the Unity of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, let us return to the order in which we began the discussion. God the Father bestows upon all, existence; and participation in Christ, in respect of His being the word of reason, renders them rational beings. From which it follows that they are deserving either of praise or blame, because capable of virtue and vice. On this account, therefore, is the grace of the Holy Ghost present, that those beings which are not holy in their essence may be rendered holy by participating in it. Seeing, then, that firstly, they derive their existence from God the Father; secondly, their rational nature from the Word; thirdly, their holiness from the Holy Spirit, - those who have been previously sanctified by the Holy Spirit are again made capable of receiving Christ, in respect that He is the righteousness of God; and those who have earned advancement to this grade by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, will nevertheless obtain the gift of wisdom according to the power and working of the Spirit of God. And this I consider is Paul’s meaning, when he says that to “some is given the word of wisdom, to others the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit.” And while pointing out the individual distinction of gifts, he refers the whole of them to the source of all things in the words, “There are diversities of operations, but one God who worketh all in all.” (1Co 12:6) Whence also the working of the Father, which confers existence upon all things, is found to be more glorious and magnificent, while each one, by participation in Christ, as being wisdom, and knowledge, and sanctification, makes progress, and advances to higher degrees of perfection; and seeing it is by partaking of the Holy Spirit that any one is made purer and holier, he obtains, when he is made worthy, the grace of wisdom and knowledge, in order that, after all stains of pollution and ignorance are cleansed and taken away, he may make so great an advance in holiness and purity, that the nature which he received from God may become such as is worthy of Him who gave it to be pure and perfect, so that the being which exists may be as worthy as He who called it into existence. For, in this way, he who is such as his Creator wished him to be, will receive from God power always to exist, and to abide for ever. That this may be the case, and that those whom He has created may be unceasingly and inseparably present with HIM, WHO IS, it is the business of wisdom to instruct and train them, and to bring them to perfection by confirmation of His Holy Spirit and unceasing sanctification, by which alone are they capable of receiving God. In this way, then, by the renewal of the ceaseless working of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in us, in its various stages of progress, shall we be able at some future time perhaps, although with difficulty, to behold the holy and the blessed life, in which (as it is only after many struggles that we are able to reach it) we ought so to continue, that no satiety of that blessedness should ever seize us; but the more we perceive its blessedness, the more should be increased and intensified within us the longing for the same, while we ever more eagerly and freely receive and hold fast the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

no. his own virtues are of nothing compared to Gods. he is not yet called worthy and He knows there is more to be had. it was not to speak evil against God at all. he just wants to see face to face with God instead of through a dark glass. he loves that which God gives him. or if he did not love those things, i.e. Eternal salvation, righteousness, sanctification and ect then he would not even want to see face to face with God. as you can not see face to face if you are not like God. when you behold the face of God you quickly are dead because of the glory thereof. all of us who are not yet attained to whatever this attaining is fall dead before God as behold him. it is said those very close to God behold Him constantly. those like gabriel the archangel. we all simply just want to be incorruptible and with Christ. often it would appear that by words spoken that they appear as evil speaking to God but it is not so for those who love God.

 

[Ronald]

Eternal salvation, righteousness, sanctification etc. put this way becomes little more than merchandise. Please, I'm not trying to be little ...
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You asked the question of what that phrase meant and I answered with, the purpose of his death and ressurrection and ascention was ... and you think that sounds like merchandise? That's irreverent of you. I guess you want to ask then answer your own question. Enough folly for me today.

 

[x141]

The purpose of all this: I will die for your sins, rise from the dead and ascend to heaven ... in order that He will send the Holy Spirit to empower you to do these things and live in you and sanctify you for eternal salvation.

He didn't die for it (our sins) he became it. We are all, of One. This is not a, For something just as the ressurection is not an event but the very person of the Father, the life that the Father gave to the Son to have in him.

As I said, I didn't mean to upset you.

People qoute satan (all the kingdoms of this world are his) as if he is telling the Truth.

 

[Ronald]

He didn't die for it (our sins) he became it. We are all, of One. This is not a, For something just as the ressurection is not an event but the very person of the Father, the life that the Father gave to the Son to have in him.

He did become sin by taking on our sins. He was the sacrificial lamb.
What church do you belong to? Jehovah Witness? If so, that explains your theology. If not, what church?

 

[x141]

"What church do you belong to? Jehovah Witness? If so, that explains your theology. If not, what church?"

This statment to me is nakedness. To answer such a question, in me would fulfill the judgment of the wicked.

They asked Jesus the same questions, tempting him.

I'm still interested in one thing, becasue I go unto the Father. That I might see his face and look upon his glory, like Enoch, I will be not.

Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Joh 13:3o-32 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

 

[x141]

Jesus prayed only one time for himself. To be restored to a glory that was before the world was. This glory was the Father, his own Self, this one. As he said in the one place, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him; and If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, himself being the Father.

When we ask for ourselves, likewise it will be, And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name (the nature of "I AM"), he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

In that Day is in us. This Himself is this everlasting or fulness of joy.

I feel now, for thritytwo years I have only asked of him to consume it upon my own lusts.

 

[TheDayIHaventYetDreamed]

I agree it has to do with Jesus sending the comforter but would add that the other would do greater things because Jesus had no more time to do some of the greater things he refers to which goes back to him sending the comforter. Maybe also the other would do greater things because he doesn't quite have duties like going to the father to send something. And not having such duties can spend more time performing greater miracles. I wonder if this person has already existed (and simply assuming he hasnt come into being says a lot) and maybe a lack of the accounts of such a person are the result of him charging others to tell no man. Just as Jesus has done.

 

[triplet347]

Jesus is talking to the disciples telling them that when the Holy Spirit comes they will be able to perform the works He performed and greater works. My question is what greater works is Jesus referring to? He healed the sick and lame. He raised people from the dead. What could be greater than that?

What are your thoughts?

 

[TheDayIHaventYetDreamed]

You probably shouldn't be measuring greater by the miraculousness of his deeds but rather the deeds of his father.

 

[x141]

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature (Creation) was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.