I Hate This Place!

[Adventist Dissident]

After 10 years of pastoring in the SDA church I was convicted in the depths of my soul that there were things about Adventism that I could no longer in good conscience represent, teach, or believe. And I wasn't anywhere near looking for a way out. I loved being an SDA! We were 'special', and we were just 'right'.

Where do you go after Adventism? My identity and value are drawn from Christ alone. I am a Christ-ian, and I am a part of the body of Christ with Him as the head. I am free to worship with all others who carry the name of Christ and have been saved by the work of Christ on their behalf (by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone). Where did I go? He is IN me and I am IN Him! His Spirit produces His good works and His fruit in me (my works are filthy).

I know you're looking for another denominational identity, but I do not have one or claim one (although, my name is still on the SDA books). (True) Christianity transcends the dividing lines of denominationalism where, for the most part, each one feels they have a 'better' version than the next, and each one, for the most part, feels their version is the 'most Biblical'.

The Bible has already defined the 'perfect church'. It is made up of all who believe in Jesus for their salvation, and we are called the body. Jesus is the head. We are united by God who lives in us through the Spirit of Christ. It's all about Jesus Christ, and when we try to make it about other 'things', it's still ALL about Jesus Christ, who alone is worthy and faithful to his promises. Is there any better identity than that?

free

about 2 years ago the convicted me that I was not longer going to be and Adventist. I didn't understantd it but I do now.

 

[TrustAndObey]

free

about 2 years ago the convicted me that I was not longer going to be and Adventist. I didn't understantd it but I do now.

This is the debate section for Adventists, so I'm glad that you finally came out and said it. There's really not any turning back now that the words are there for the whole world to see, eh?

 

[freeindeed2]

free

about 2 years ago the convicted me that I was not longer going to be and Adventist. I didn't understantd it but I do now.

What changed for you?

And where would you go after Adventism?

 

[freeindeed2]

Well--do you worship with other ppl? And if so, who may I ask.

Yes. We worship with other Christians wherever we go.

Also--which beliefs did you abandon?

If I go into this here I'll just get reported again. Interesting you aren't asking what we've embraced (or what/Who has embraced us). We abandoned what is false and what isn't supported by Scripture. The Holy Spirit has promised to lead us into all truth, and Jesus is the truth. We will follow Him wherever He leads and He gives conviction in the depths of our souls what the truth really is.

The reason I ask these questions is this--as Adventists--knowing what we know about the 'harlot' daughters--where could you go where you would feel comfortable? Just curious.

I don't believe that Christians are 'daughters of the harlot' as SDAism teaches. So, consequently, I am comfortable worshiping with any and all who believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation. Why would I call the church (body of Christ) a harlot? Awfully judgmental, don't you think?

BTW, I just realized today that you are the same honorthesabbath who posted over on CARM. I responded to one of your posts today.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

What changed for you?

And where would you go after Adventism?

that is what i am trying to figure out. maybe a messanic jew??? that is essentally christianity with a jewsih slant? i don't know.

 

[NightEternal]

This is the debate section for Adventists, so I'm glad that you finally came out and said it. There's really not any turning back now that the words are there for the whole world to see, eh?

TrustAndObey, I don't think Icedragon has ever tried to hide the fact that he is grappling with certain issues in the church and has been transparent in the matter. You seem to be implying shiftiness, waffling or evasion on his part. If he had come to a more concrete position on the matter earlier, I am pretty sure he would have made that known quite openly.

I have no issues with people like Icedragon, Tall, RC_NewProtestants, Sophia and Freeindeed engaging in conversation, wether they be questioning or repudiating doctrine, on the verge of leaving or flat out gone from the ranks.

It is no threat to my faith and it shouldn't be for anyone else's.

What we need to do is stop trying to weed out the supposed 'apostates' and 'heretics' from this forum as if it were under the power of Rome in the Dark Ages.

I would like to see the 'no-nonSDA's allowed' policy reconsidered.

 

[freeindeed2]

I would like to see the 'no-nonSDA's allowed' policy reconsidered.

I don't think that will happen. It's kind of a 'shut door' issue.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

This is the debate section for Adventists, so I'm glad that you finally came out and said it. There's really not any turning back now that the words are there for the whole world to see, eh?

I am still an adventist at this point. I have not left the chruch just yet. so you can't run me off just yet. I am not wanting to leave the SDA chruch, but it looks like it won't be possible to stay. If they get rid of the IJ and EGW then i could live with the most of the other minor problem, but that is just not acceptable.

 

[NightEternal]

I don't think that will happen. It's kind of a 'shut door' issue.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

And yet one can find how many web pages that claim EGW plagiarized?

you are applying your "one trick pony" to the wrong issue, go some place else or get a new horse. we arent even talking about plagiarizam

 

[TrustAndObey]

I am still an adventist at this point. I have not left the chruch just yet. so you can't run me off just yet. I am not wanting to leave the SDA chruch, but it looks like it won't be possible to stay. If they get rid of the IJ and EGW then i could live with the most of the other minor problem, but that is just not acceptable.

Okay, let me get this straight...the Lord CONVICTED you 2 years ago that you weren't going to be an Adventist anymore....which you didn't understand at the time but you do now....but you're still an Adventist?

To say the Lord convicts you...doesn't that mean that it's just how it's going to be whether we understand it or not?

Either the Lord convicted you or He didn't.

??

 

[NightEternal]

Okay, that DOES sound confusing.

Icedragon?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Okay, let me get this straight...the Lord CONVICTED you 2 years ago that you weren't going to be an Adventist anymore....which you didn't understand at the time but you do now....but you're still an Adventist?

To say the Lord convicts you...doesn't that mean that it's just how it's going to be whether we understand it or not?

Either the Lord convicted you or He didn't.

??

It has only been recently that I began to undersant the what & why of leaving. I am in the process of trying to find a solution to the theological problems. i AM NOT TRYING TO LEAVE THE SDA CHURCH. I think now I understand why. I am not finding any resoloution to the theological problems.

If you remember the 3abn thread a worker at 3abn wrote telling her testimony and said that just before the 3ABN feascio with danny and linda that she was convicted by the lord that "this would be the last time she would work at 3abn." she did not understand it at the time, but understood when it happened. I believe it is the same thing. God did not want me to be caught off gaurd when this happened. That is what I ment.

God told me so i would not be surprised when it happened or afraid. I am like ok I see now why. I didn't what to leave but If it is not true it's not true. oh well. I was not looking for the flaws when I found them.

 

[TrustAndObey]

It has only been recently that I began to undersant the what & why of leaving. I am in the process of trying to find a solution to the theological problems. i AM NOT TRYING TO LEAVE THE SDA CHURCH. I think now I understand why. I am not finding any resoloution to the theological problems.

If you remember the 3abn thread a worker at 3abn wrote telling her testimony and said that just before the 3ABN feascio with danny and linda that she was convicted by the lord that "this would be the last time she would work at 3abn." she did not understand it at the time, but understood when it happened. I believe it is the same thing. God did not want me to be caught off gaurd when this happened. That is what I ment.

God told me so i would not be surprised when it happened or afraid. I am like ok I see now why. I didn't what to leave but If it is not true it's not true. oh well. I was not looking for the flaws when I found them.

Honestly, this all sounds like a lot of backtracking to cover your steps actually. You said the Lord convicted you NOT to be an Adventist, but now you're saying that you are not trying to leave the Adventist church...yet earlier you talked about possibly becoming Messianic Jew.

You're convicted NOT to be Adventist when a non-Adventist makes comments, but when an Adventist points out that you can't debate in here, then you are an Adventist.

IMHO, it sounds like you're going to be whatever suits you at the moment.

When the Lord convicts us, at least in my own personal experiences, it was a resounding "DO THIS" and there was no room for wiggling around.

You're either Adventist or you aren't. You're either convicted or you aren't. The Lord intervened or He didn't.

 

[freeindeed2]

Honestly, this all sounds like a lot of backtracking to cover your steps actually. You said the Lord convicted you NOT to be an Adventist, but now you're saying that you are not trying to leave the Adventist church...yet earlier you talked about possibly becoming Messianic Jew.

You're convicted NOT to be Adventist when a non-Adventist makes comments, but when an Adventist points out that you can't debate in here, then you are an Adventist.

IMHO, it sounds like you're going to be whatever suits you at the moment.

When the Lord convicts us, at least in my own personal experiences, it was a resounding "DO THIS" and there was no room for wiggling around.

You're either Adventist or you aren't. You're either convicted or you aren't. The Lord intervened or He didn't.

When the Spirit said 'Get out!', I got out. If he had said 'Stay', I would have stayed.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Free, that's exactly what I'm saying. Either the Lord convicted Icedragon 2 years ago to get out, or He didn't.

If He really did convict Icedragon, then Icedragon is ignoring Him, and has for 2 years now.

 

[freeindeed2]

Free, that's exactly what I'm saying. Either the Lord convicted Icedragon 2 years ago to get out, or He didn't.

If He really did convict Icedragon, then Icedragon is ignoring Him, and has for 2 years now.

Maybe he pulled a Jonah? It took me 7 years of constant study before full conviction came.

(Cute avatar/pic by the way!)

God bless.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Maybe he pulled a Jonah? It took me 7 years of constant study before full conviction came.

(Cute avatar/pic by the way!)

God bless.

Oy!! Did you not just say it was a resounding "GET OUT!"?? It took you 7 years to hear "GET OUT"?

You people confuse me.

I'm looking at Cheyenne Mountain as I type and it's breathtaking. I'm going to be sad to leave here. I guess we're leaving on Sunday morning because I have to start class again on Tuesday.

There's been amazing amounts of rain here this week. It definitely wasn't like this when I lived here.

God bless you too.

 

[freeindeed2]

Oy!! Did you not just say it was a resounding "GET OUT!"?? It took you 7 years to hear "GET OUT"?

You people confuse me.

I'm looking at Cheyenne Mountain as I type and it's breathtaking. I'm going to be sad to leave here. I guess we're leaving on Sunday morning because I have to start class again on Tuesday.

There's been amazing amounts of rain here this week. It definitely wasn't like this when I lived here.

God bless you too.

LOL. No, I said it was 7 years of study before I was fully convicted to leave. Once he said leave, I left.

Yes, we've had lot's of rain, but it sure has made everything really green.

God bless.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Honestly, this all sounds like a lot of backtracking to cover your steps actually. You said the Lord convicted you NOT to be an Adventist, but now you're saying that you are not trying to leave the Adventist church...yet earlier you talked about possibly becoming Messianic Jew.

You're convicted NOT to be Adventist when a non-Adventist makes comments, but when an Adventist points out that you can't debate in here, then you are an Adventist.

what are you talking about. and why do you take it so personally. we don't server you. you are not our lord and savior, so get over youself.

IMHO, it sounds like you're going to be whatever suits you at the moment.

When the Lord convicts us, at least in my own personal experiences, it was a resounding "DO THIS" and there was no room for wiggling around.

You're either Adventist or you aren't. You're either convicted or you aren't. The Lord intervened or He didn't

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no one asked you your opinion, and it is not humble .

You misquoted me. I never said that the lord convicted me NOT to be and adventist, he did not tell me DON'T be and SDA. He convicted me that I was not going to be one any longer. There is a difference one is a command the other is a prediction a revelation of the future.

I am sorry that You just cant handel it.

I would perfer to stay SDA , but cannot because the doctrine is wrong and EGW as a prophet is a lie.

as far as your personal experiance. It does not apply here. May he tells you that because that is the only way you listen to him.

Me on the other had the Lord almost never says DO THIS. There have been a few occasions.
God almost always warns me of big event and big decisions ahead of time. It is the "I tell you ahead of time so that when you see it come to pass you may believe" approach.

If you think this is just an attempt to do what ever i want you are mistaken. Tall73 and I are friends from college. we had a disagreement and did not talk to each other for over 2 years. Then we got back together. I mentioned to him that I was finding flaws in EGW and SDA history and he said oh by the way might want to check out these as well. For 2 years prior to me even talking to him about it. He was searching these things out from the theology view point and came to the conclusion that the theology was wrong.

so, Sorry you don't believe it. but that is your problem I have nothing to prove to you. I will answer to God on judgement day not to you.