I had a dream. . .

Miracle Storm · Aug 11, 2007

No this is not meant for the dreams and visions section.
It belongs right here.
I will not remember all the dream because it REALLY freaked me out and I have been debating myself posting anything about it.....

Shock value!
I dreamed I was homosexual. I loved this other woman so much and was attracted to her physically as well as emotions involved in the dream. There was no sex in the dream....
We knew in the dream as well as our friends that were homosexuals that people HATED us. They would rather see "our kind" dead than allowing us to feel anything for each other or be together in "that way"
(NOW you have to imagine, I'm straight....In this dream I was homosexual, no doubt. It was very vivid.)
Walking around we knew people knew and we had to hide it. I remember being in a store and taking different clothes that just felt crazy to be in, but we had to.
As walking out the store, we were shop lifting....
My "girlfriend" got out the door without being hurt.
But the guard grabbed me because he knew I was a "lesbian" and sliced my face to scar it.
The next thing I knew I was out of this body that was "me" viewing her and knew she would live, but seeing her friends put her in the car screaming, crying her name. "Allona!"
End dream -----

We were condemned for love. That's what I knew in that dream. We were condemned because we were different. We had to hide who we were or people would want to hurt us....

The underlying message to me was homosexuals are people and no matter what your beliefs are you have to remember that their feelings, emotions, are real.
I don't know maybe people will say God is turning me over to a reprobate mind....'cause that's what I first thought.
But what is worse loving someone of the same sex or killing and hurting people because of that love?

I have been feeling since I had that dream as I did when I was younger. Like lifeviews are forming, new understanding is coming, discernment....

I'm not saying homosexuality is not sin. What I am saying is I need to study and pray. But I do believe that the dream was a message from God and everyone needs to grasp it.

Pray that God would guide me, I'm confused.

HaloHope · Aug 11, 2007

Thank you for sharing that.

It's good to hear someone (especially someone who I have disagreed fairly strongly with on occasion) saying some of the above things. A great many people who say homosexuality is a sin deny that there is any real feelings of emotion between gay couples and it's all about sex. When of course it isn't. I'm not sure what you thought before but it seems this dream/vision of yours has helped you see that gay couples can have a very strong emotional connection.

While I myself have never suffered discrimination as bad as what is detailed in your dream, I do know a little what it's like to not be able to show I love my partner in public. In some places here it's fine to hold my partners hand or hug or kiss in public and nobody will bat an eyelid. Other places I can't show affection, purely out of concern as to how those around us will act. It's something I have got used to but at the same time occasionally it can be intensly upsetting and irritating when all I want to do is express how I feel about the person I love, and hetrosexual couples can in the same places.

It sounds like you have some idea of how difficult that can be now.

As long as you don't mind I am happy to pray from you (simply to pray that God will guide you, I will not pray with any personal bias from my viewpoint).

Apollo Celestio · Aug 11, 2007

Violence or Same sex sex, Eh I don't know what's worse. In looks alone I'd say the violence.

Miracle Storm · Aug 11, 2007

HaloHope said:
Thank you for sharing that.

It's good to hear someone (especially someone who I have disagreed fairly strongly with on occasion) saying some of the above things. A great many people who say homosexuality is a sin deny that there is any real feelings of emotion between gay couples and it's all about sex. When of course it isn't. I'm not sure what you thought before but it seems this dream/vision of yours has helped you see that gay couples can have a very strong emotional connection.

While I myself have never suffered discrimination as bad as what is detailed in your dream, I do know a little what it's like to not be able to show I love my partner in public. In some places here it's fine to hold my partners hand or hug or kiss in public and nobody will bat an eyelid. Other places I can't show affection, purely out of concern as to how those around us will act. It's something I have got used to but at the same time occasionally it can be intensly upsetting and irritating when all I want to do is express how I feel about the person I love, and hetrosexual couples can in the same places.

It sounds like you have some idea of how difficult that can be now.

As long as you don't mind I am happy to pray from you (simply to pray that God will guide you, I will not pray with any personal bias from my viewpoint).

I would be very grateful for your prayers.
I was raised to believe that homosexuality and bisexuals were sinners. Plain and simple.
I believed that, but took a different approach then my family as I held no ill will. I looked at it as sin and that's all.
But literally it took a dream to wake me up.

Love is love, hate is hate.

You know in my mind there was always that thinking that homosexuals are going from one person to the next, but in this dream I experienced the emotions. It wasn't like that, it was love.
Which frankly, scares me, because it is a total flip for me.
God is telling me something and I'm going to listen whether people think it is Biblical or not.

I do want to list this Scripture and see where God leads me from here. If anyone else has any input I'd like to hear it.
2 Corinthians 2:5If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you, to some extentnot to put it too severely. 6The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. 7Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. 9The reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything. 10If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And what I have forgivenif there was anything to forgiveI have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, 11in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

HaloHope · Aug 12, 2007

Miracle_Storm said:
I would be very grateful for your prayers.
.

Then I am very grateful to be permitted to pray for you

ALiberalTeen · Aug 12, 2007

Ishida said:
Violence or Same sex sex, Eh I don't know what's worse. In looks alone I'd say the violence.

Whatever

And thank you for sharing that Miracle

Jerrell · Aug 12, 2007

Remember that dreams are not just given by God, but by spirits and demons and supernatural forces, they can also be influenced by the words we here, and even by what we see and think during the day, or even by what we watch on TV.

I remember once that I dreamed that 5 lolly pops (with no legs- just the white stick) attacked me with guns... it was a funny dream- that doesn't mean it's from God. I've had dreams (but i was still awake) when satan or some demon came to rest on me, and laughed at me, and forbid me to wake- I was concious the whole time, yet I could not do anything till i called on Jesus. Some dreams teach a lesson....I advise you to read the word and seek his Kingdom, Believe the Word. Do not take dreams as a greater authority than the Word. Neither take man and woman's opinion to be greater than the Word- the Word is truth and it is life.

Miracle Storm · Aug 12, 2007

Jerrell said:
Remember that dreams are not just given by God, but by spirits and demons and supernatural forces, they can also be influenced by the words we here, and even by what we see and think during the day, or even by what we watch on TV.

I remember once that I dreamed that 5 lolly pops (with no legs- just the white stick) attacked me with guns... it was a funny dream- that doesn't mean it's from God. I've had dreams (but i was still awake) when satan or some demon came to rest on me, and laughed at me, and forbid me to wake- I was concious the whole time, yet I could not do anything till i called on Jesus. Some dreams teach a lesson....I advise you to read the word and seek his Kingdom, Believe the Word. Do not take dreams as a greater authority than the Word. Neither take man and woman's opinion to be greater than the Word- the Word is truth and it is life.

Ha, go ahead I have already had a pm telling me it was probably from the enemy.
Let me tell you something.
I am God's I know when He is telling me something.
John 10:27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Everyone has crazy dreams. BUT
How many times does God use dreams or visions in the Bible to speak with people?
How many the enemy?
Yes I have had attacking dreams, fearful dreams and dreams where I have straight up seen demons.
This was not of that nature.
The POINT was NOT just THE dream, but what God allowed me to feel in the dream. Understanding into anothers life.

You may not buy it and frankly I don't care.

You shouldn't mock gifts or God opening ones heart in giving more discernment, wisdom, compassion and understanding.

Apollo Celestio · Aug 13, 2007

Whatever indeed, but if this is truly from God, who can interpet it?

Miracle Storm · Aug 13, 2007

Ishida said:
Whatever indeed, but if this is truly from God, who can interpet it?

Was it not enough that God opened my heart and mind?

The emotions I felt while seeing out of another's eyes in the dream was enough interpretation for me.

Zaac · Aug 13, 2007

Miracle_Storm said:
No this is not meant for the dreams and visions section.
It belongs right here.
I will not remember all the dream because it REALLY freaked me out and I have been debating myself posting anything about it.....

Shock value!
I dreamed I was homosexual. I loved this other woman so much and was attracted to her physically as well as emotions involved in the dream. There was no sex in the dream....
We knew in the dream as well as our friends that were homosexuals that people HATED us. They would rather see "our kind" dead than allowing us to feel anything for each other or be together in "that way"
(NOW you have to imagine, I'm straight....In this dream I was homosexual, no doubt. It was very vivid.)
Walking around we knew people knew and we had to hide it. I remember being in a store and taking different clothes that just felt crazy to be in, but we had to.
As walking out the store, we were shop lifting....
My "girlfriend" got out the door without being hurt.
But the guard grabbed me because he knew I was a "lesbian" and sliced my face to scar it.
The next thing I knew I was out of this body that was "me" viewing her and knew she would live, but seeing her friends put her in the car screaming, crying her name. "Allona!"
End dream -----

We were condemned for love. That's what I knew in that dream. We were condemned because we were different. We had to hide who we were or people would want to hurt us....

The underlying message to me was homosexuals are people and no matter what your beliefs are you have to remember that their feelings, emotions, are real.
I don't know maybe people will say God is turning me over to a reprobate mind....'cause that's what I first thought.
But what is worse loving someone of the same sex or killing and hurting people because of that love?

I have been feeling since I had that dream as I did when I was younger. Like lifeviews are forming, new understanding is coming, discernment....

I'm not saying homosexuality is not sin. What I am saying is I need to study and pray. But I do believe that the dream was a message from God and everyone needs to grasp it.

Pray that God would guide me, I'm confused.

It could have indeed been a message from God. But as the Bible says, test the spirits to see if they are from God.

Unless you were already in the Word, this is NOT a forum to be in lest you be swayed like a reed in the wind to follow all sorts of heresies.

God has never condemned anyone for loving someone else. It is the second greatest commandment.

What people need to do is stop confusing loving someone with the committing fornicative acts.

If you allow, the people in this forum will present you with some very cogent points about homosexuality and loving others. All very valid points.

But not a single person ever has nor ever will be able to talk around CHOOSING to disobey God's Word and commit fornicative acts with the same sex or any sex for that matter.

So if people want to love each other, by all means do so. God wants us to love. But if the desire to commit fornication outweighs the desire to keep the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, separate yourself from that stumbling block.

Miracle Storm · Aug 13, 2007

Zaac said:
It could have indeed been a message from God. But as the Bible says, test the spirits to see if they are from God.

Unless you were already in the Word, this is NOT a forum to be in lest you be swayed like a reed in the wind to follow all sorts of heresies.

God has never condemned anyone for loving someone else. It is the second greatest commandment.

What people need to do is stop confusing loving someone with the committing fornicative acts.

If you allow, the people in this forum will present you with some very cogent points about homosexuality and loving others. All very valid points.

But not a single person ever has nor ever will be able to talk around CHOOSING to disobey God's Word and commit fornicative acts with the same sex or any sex for that matter.

So if people want to love each other, by all means do so. God wants us to love. But if the desire to commit fornication outweighs the desire to keep the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, separate yourself from that stumbling block.

I have been "in the Word" a long time.
I don't think it is being comprehended what this thread is about.

This thread is not..."Is homosexuality a sin or not"

This thread is about the true emotions that these people go through.

It's not as simple as people try to make it with their condescending tone, rebukes and condemnations.
There are true feelings involved.
We should be uplifting with love not constant reprimand or rebuke.

Because while anyone is saying "love the sinner hate the sin" I don't believe that is how it is being percieved.

They are being made to feel lesser, not only as a child of God, but as a human being. They feel they must hide who they are for fear of what others may think or do.
They feel, they feel, they feel! That is the purpose of this thread.
Here they are with this love for another human being and being told they must stop loving them or burn.
I don't believe that.
If they are saved, no one can take it from them.
But if someone is so swayed that homosexuality is sin than instruct them them HOW to walk away from their partner, the person they love....

Quit banging thier heads into the wall to convince them they are sinners and instead befriend them as one would recieve their brother or sister and not on the basis that they give up thier love.
We are all sinners, it is what it is. If it was not so we would not have needed a Savior, but we do.
1Corinthians 13: 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails.
Ephesians 4:2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it

Anyways these are my words I do not speak for any homosexual or bisexual as I am not one. But I speak what I believe the Spirit has spoke to me.

Ephesians 4:29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Zaac · Aug 13, 2007

Miracle_Storm said:
I have been "in the Word" a long time.
I don't think it is being comprehended what this thread is about.

This thread is not..."Is homosexuality a sin or not"

This thread is about the true emotions that these people go through.

Miracle, I do indeed comprehend what this thread is about. But I will tell you the same thing that I have told others. Be careful of how you present things in this forum lest you make it look like you're supporting something you are not.

You're in the Debates on Homosexuality forum talking about a dream in which you deduced that people should not be condemned for being homosexuals and loving one another.

The point that you need to receive is that God has not condemned anyone for being a homosexual or for loving someone else. And the way your post is presented makes it look like there has been some confusion over this or if it's something that Christians in this forum are doing.

The Christians are not doing that.

These threads are always about the same thing: OBEDIENCE

Emotions aside, people are STILL choosing to ignore what God says and disobey.

It's not as simple as people try to make it with their condescending tone, rebukes and condemnations.
There are true feelings involved.
We should be uplifting with love not constant reprimand or rebuke.

Then give them God's Word and spare them the expense of feelings getting in the way of sharing HIS TRUTH.

Yes, we know that these are people. But God's Word says to use His Word to teach,correct, rebuke, and train in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16. He says to point out the wrong to the evildoer. Ezekiel 3:18. He never says to not reprimand or rebuke.

If a person is in Christ,for as many times as a person sins, there needds to be a recognition of that sin as sin so that there may be repentance. This is why we hold each other accountable.

Once you become tolerant and pacified by sin because you are not doing what God's Word says to do, the Body starts to look like the world instead of like Christ.

They are being made to feel lesser, not only as a child of God, but as a human being. They feel they must hide who they are for fear of what others may think or do.
They feel, they feel, they feel! That is the purpose of this thread.
Here they are with this love for another human being and being told they must stop loving them or burn.
I don't believe that.
If they are saved, no one can take it from them.
But if someone is so swayed that homosexuality is sin than instruct them them HOW to walk away from their partner, the person they love....

I tendto disagree. Much like them, you've got Christians in this forum who know that God has not called his people to be accommodating of sin. And if the hearing of God's Word offends them, it should.

As I've said to others, stop lumping all of Christendom into one big bowl. The majority of the Christians in this forum have not told anyone to stop loving someone or burn.

As for the walking away from the person that they love, a choice has to be made.

If a person cannot control his lusts and his ability to refrain from engaging in that which God calls sin, then he needs to flee that sexual immorality just as God's Word says.

Anyways these are my words I do not speak for any homosexual or bisexual as I am not one. But I speak what I believe the Spirit has spoke to me.

For the purposes of this forum and what is central in it, does God's Word point out the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex as sinful?

HaloHope · Aug 13, 2007

I know the claim I am about to make is purely an emotional one but one of the reasons I am firmly convinced our relationship is not sinful is the fact I could never, ever, ever leave her on the stance of morality (and hopefully we will never leave each other for any other reasons of course). The bond I have with her and the wonderful happy moments we share just relaxing in each others company, going for walks, cuddling on the sofa as we watch a movie, even just talking about our future together is something I could never give up. It is the strength and love of our bond, and the non-sexual aspects to our relationship that make me know how wonderful, good and true our love is. Love is never ever wrong, and neither are expressions of romance between people who truly love one-another. God is love, and my relationship is a product of love, so I know in my heart God is fine with it.

There are plenty here who say those emotions aren't real and it's all about sex. Those who claim so are being ignorant, as they are not me and thus cannot feel the very real emotional connection I have with my partner. Contrary to popular belief among some here, the love felt between a commited gay couple is exactly the same as a commited hetrosexual one.

Zaac · Aug 13, 2007

HaloHope said:
I know the claim I am about to make is purely an emotional one but one of the reasons I am firmly convinced our relationship is not sinful is the fact I could never, ever, ever leave her on the stance of morality (and hopefully we will never leave each other for any other reasons of course).

Halo, that's understandable. I would like to think that people have nonsexual friends like this whom they feel the same about.

But the question that you have to ask yourself is will you be led by your emotions or will you be led by Christ? Being led by Christ, we have no choice but to admit that what He says is wrong is wrong. And according to His Word, the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex is wrong.

I'm not talking about muddying the water with confusion and folks doing word studies and historical comparisons to make it look like God is saying something He is not.

I'm talking about what God's Word PLAINLY says.

The bond I have with her and the wonderful happy moments we share just relaxing in each others company, going for walks, cuddling on the sofa as we watch a movie, even just talking about our future together is something I could never give up. It is the strength and love of our bond, and the non-sexual aspects to our relationship that make me know how wonderful, good and true our love is.

But has anyone said that any of this is wrong? Does God say that any of that is wrong? The things that you speak of are just as indicative of close friendship as they are of your relationship.

Love is never ever wrong, and neither are expressions of romance between people who truly love one-another.

Can you give Biblical support for this statement or is simply the way you feel?

I know of plenty of married men who say they are truly in love with someone other than their wives , and they have carried on affairs with them. It's still adultery and it's still wrong.

God is love, and my relationship is a product of love, so I know in my heart God is fine with it.

Again, I'm not talking about your relationship. Is God fine with you committing sex acts with someone of the same sex? Can you show in His Word where He approves of this?

There are plenty here who say those emotions aren't real and it's all about sex. Those who claim so are being ignorant, as they are not me and thus cannot feel the very real emotional connection I have with my partner.

Probably no more real than the emotional connection a lot of us have for our best friends.

Contrary to popular belief among some here, the love felt between a commited gay couple is exactly the same as a commited hetrosexual one.

And this still has nothing to do with heterosexuals or homosexuals CHOOSING to commit acts that God says to not commit.

HaloHope · Aug 13, 2007

Zaac said:
Halo, that's understandable. I would like to think that people have nonsexual friends like this whom they feel the same about.

Yes but I happen to feel a romantic love for my partner on top of that. So it is not comporable to a relationship that is purely "freinds" only to a hetrosexual couple or another homosexual couple.

Zaac said:
But the question that you have to ask yourself is will you be led by your emotions or will you be led by Christ? Being led by Christ, we have no choice but to admit that what He says is wrong is wrong. And according to His Word, the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex is wrong.

Yeh you see, no matter how many times you personally tell me the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, I don't think it does. At all.

Zaac said:
I'm not talking about muddying the water with confusion and folks doing word studies and historical comparisons to make it look like God is saying something He is not.

And I'm not talking about people mis-translating the Bible to suit their personal prejudices either.

Zaac said:
I'm talking about what God's Word PLAINLY says.

Except of course.. that is dosen't PLAINLY say anything of the sort

Zaac said:
But has anyone said that any of this is wrong? Does God say that any of that is wrong? The things that you speak of are just as indicative of close friendship as they are of your relationship.

Except of course the romantic bits..
However many times you wish to insult and degrade my relationship to being merely a "close freindship" you won't suceed because I know that it is JUST as normal, valid and acceptable to God as any hetrosexual couple who are married. Fortunately I am comfortable enough in my relationship and my walk with God to really not care what anyone else has to say on the matter. I know my own relationship thank you.

Zaac said:
Can you give Biblical support for this statement or is simply the way you feel?

Corinthians 13-4-8 is always a good place to start.

Zaac said:
I know of plenty of married men who say they are truly in love with someone other than their wives , and they have carried on affairs with them. It's still adultery and it's still wrong.

Except that I would never do that with my partner. Irrelevant.

Again, I'm not talking about your relationship. Is God fine with you committing sex acts with someone of the same sex? Can you show in His Word where He approves of this?[/quote]

Sex is an expression of love, a loving consensual relationship tends to have loving consensual sex (unless the people are a-sexual!). The Bible never condemns homosexuality, and it praises loving relationships. That is how I reach my conclusion.

Zaac said:
Probably no more real than the emotional connection a lot of us have for our best friends.

See above. It's beyond a "best freind" relationship no matter how you want to twist it.

And this still has nothing to do with heterosexuals or homosexuals CHOOSING to commit acts that God says to not commit.[/quote]

*Starlight* · Aug 13, 2007

Hi Miracle_Storm

The dream you had showed you the truth... It's true that people in homosexual relationships really love each other, just like people in heterosexual relationships. And it's true that they are often persecuted for that. So this dream could be from God, because God is the source of truth...

Jerrell · Aug 13, 2007

Miracle_Storm said:
Ha, go ahead I have already had a pm telling me it was probably from the enemy.
Let me tell you something.
I am God's I know when He is telling me something.
John 10:27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

Everyone has crazy dreams. BUT
How many times does God use dreams or visions in the Bible to speak with people?
How many the enemy?
Yes I have had attacking dreams, fearful dreams and dreams where I have straight up seen demons.
This was not of that nature.
The POINT was NOT just THE dream, but what God allowed me to feel in the dream. Understanding into anothers life.

You may not buy it and frankly I don't care.

You shouldn't mock gifts or God opening ones heart in giving more discernment, wisdom, compassion and understanding.

Don't be fooled into thinking God is okay with homosexuality. It is a perversion of his truth, a lie from the pits of hell.

Miracle Storm · Aug 13, 2007

Zaac said:
Miracle, I do indeed comprehend what this thread is about. But I will tell you the same thing that I have told others. Be careful of how you present things in this forum lest you make it look like you're supporting something you are not.

Be careful how you present rebukes lest you make it look like you are casting stones.
Besides, don't make to many presumptions on what you believe my beliefs are.

Zaac said:
You're in the Debates on Homosexuality forum talking about a dream in which you deduced that people should not be condemned for being homosexuals and loving one another.

Wrong zacci. I was already against people condemning anyone.
What of the married man who divorces his first wife and takes another bride. It is adultery, but the man is not willing to leave his second wife? Will he not be saved? Is he not forgiven?
Matthew 19:9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Have you even read my posts. It seems not. God has opened my heart and mind to the feelings of others. He has given me discernment in an area where once I really only had my opinion, personal assumptions. You cannot judge anothers heart or their emotions.

zaac said:
The point that you need to receive is that God has not condemned anyone for being a homosexual or for loving someone else.

Glad you said that. I have already recieved that point long ago....
John 3:17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[b]

zacc said:
And the way your post is presented makes it look like there has been some confusion over this or if it's something that Christians in this forum are doing.

Some have and in the real world too. If not purposely it is still coming across that way to others.

zacc said:
The Christians are not doing that.

Really, you speak for all now?

zacc said:
These threads are always about the same thing: OBEDIENCE

These thread are always about the LAW

Emotions aside, people are STILL choosing to ignore what God says and disobey.

Have you not done so as well?

zaac said:
Then give them God's Word and spare them the expense of feelings getting in the way of sharing HIS TRUTH.

I never let feelings get in the way of God's truth. I am rather blunt.
You can lovingly rebuke anyone. But if you give them no way to turn things around and no example then you have done nothing, but drive them away from you and anything you had to say and this I say to your fault.

"Holier than thou" attitudes do not turn people from sin do they?

zacc said:
Yes, we know that these are people. But God's Word says to use His Word to teach,correct, rebuke, and train in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16. He says to point out the wrong to the evildoer. Ezekiel 3:18. He never says to not reprimand or rebuke.

If a person is in Christ,for as many times as a person sins, there needds to be a recognition of that sin as sin so that there may be repentance. This is why we hold each other accountable.

You make it sound as if our Salvation is reliant on the law. Is that what you believe?
Or is our Salvation only through the cleansing blood of Christ.
Is our Salvation by grace or by law?

zaac said:
Once you become tolerant and pacified by sin because you are not doing what God's Word says to do, the Body starts to look like the world instead of like Christ.

Christ looked alot like love. He did not reject anyone.
Mark 2:15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

zacci said:
I tendto disagree. Much like them, you've got Christians in this forum who know that God has not called his people to be accommodating of sin. And if the hearing of God's Word offends them, it should.

Disagree all you want sir. But it makes it no less true that what people are saying that is NOT biblical are hutring others.
Some concentrate so much on homosexual behavior that they don't even bother with other sins or their own?
Take the plank from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from your brothers. . .

zacci said:
As I've said to others, stop lumping all of Christendom into one big bowl. The majority of the Christians in this forum have not told anyone to stop loving someone or burn.

maybe not in those exact words, but the subject of hell does come up quite a bit. BTW I did not lump all Christians together or else I, myself would be lumped in that group along with a bunch of brothers and sisters in Christ who are homosexuals. . .
Matthew 7:1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

zacci said:
As for the walking away from the person that they love, a choice has to be made.

Those who are already Christian did make a choice, they chose Christ, who sets us free from the bondage of the law and we need not live in fear.
Yes we cling to want to do good to please our Father, but we are not perfect, it is only by grace we are saved.

If a person cannot control his lusts and his ability to refrain from engaging in that which God calls sin, then he needs to flee that sexual immorality just as God's Word says.

What is your definition of sexual immorality?

For the purposes of this forum and what is central in it, does God's Word point out the committing of sexual acts with members of the same sex as sinful?

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Hi Miracle_Storm

The dream you had showed you the truth... It's true that people in homosexual relationships really love each other, just like people in heterosexual relationships. And it's true that they are often persecuted for that. So this dream could be from God, because God is the source of truth...

Hey StarJewel
I feel God has certainly let me see through the eyes and heart of another.
I am not saying that homosexuality is not sin. I am seeking more deeply than I have before for answers.
I think some need to grasp the fact that we are not saved by the law.....

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Jerrell said:
Don't be fooled into thinking God is okay with homosexuality. It is a perversion of his truth, a lie from the pits of hell.

Except that love is from God, not Satan so something that involves love (like homosexuality) doesnt come from hell.

I had a dream. . .

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