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I don't understand James 2:14-26... Please explain!

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lambslove said:
Just going to church doesn't mean you have a saving faith in Christ. There is no reason to think this man is saved at all, especially since he identifies himself as a wiccan. Wiccans cannot be Christians, they do not have a saving faith in Christ.

Do you know how to have that kind of faith?
Oh I know that Wicca is not compatible with Christianity. But you see, I went from Christianity to Wicca at one time as well. It was about a year ago. I have of course since come back but as far as I know, he's still a Wiccan. My point is I believe someone can be saved but yet still leave the church and even change their religion and still be saved.
 
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those that have been given "faith" in Christ, by God, are the "called" unto the kingdom of God,

"faith" is the beginning of salvation, not the end, "endure to the end",

those who have been given "faith" have the ability to move on unto "good works" which are works of righteousness,

"faith" is the power of God that leads unto salvation, (John 1, Romans 1)

those in the body of Christ that have been given faith, by God, can not do "works of righteousness" until they "come unto repentance",

James is warning the church, faith alone will not save you, you must move on unto repentance, and this can only happen when God chooses, he searches our hearts and if our heart loves righteousness more than unrighteousness, he gives us the Holy Spirit which enables us to do works of righteousness, compared to works of iniquity,

Jesus warns the church, each member, that they must overcome, the church must love truth more than anything else, and God knows, before it can do works of righteousness, which is true works,

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Holly3278 said:
James 2:14-2614 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Hi everyone. I am having a hard time understanding James 2:14-26 in the context of OSAS theology. I just came across this verse today and I don't understand it. If faith without deeds is dead, then does that mean that a Christian is not really saved unless they have good works as well? If so, wouldn't that mean that we are saved by works and not by faith? Wouldn't that contradict Ephesians 2:8-9? :confused:
It is somewhat of a sticky subject. Some will say and have said (including Luther) that this epistle didn't belong in the canon. Some preach that faith is all you need , no works because you cannot save yourself. Others say you must do this and that to be saved. In my opinion, both are wrong. The Bible says in Romans 9:30 (NIV) "What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith." True faith causes action. Righteousness comes from faith; those that have no faith will have no righteousness. The human effort people live by is short lived, they never really repent. Being a Christian , to a degree, is about obedience, but it is about obedience and faith working together. That doesn't mean that we become Christians and just sit around waiting for God to move us like robots. We become Christians and the Holy Spirit guides us. An example is how Jesus was guided to the cross, it was painful and hard but he went.
Holly3278 said:
Ephesians 2:8-98 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I would really appreciate some explanation. This is really confusing! Oh, if this is in the wrong forum then feel free to move it. I placed it here because I was raised Southern Baptist and I know that Southern Baptists adhere to OSAS theology. Thank you. :)
 
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mesue said:
James is speaking to the saved Christians here.

He's sorta saying
"How can you say you love the Lord when you don't do anything for Him?"
Yeah that's kind of what I thought. I understand now. Thanks everyone! :)
 
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