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My issue is that I've done everything asked of me and it seems to have been a waste.

There is a problem right there...

When is obedience wasted?

God loves to create something out of nothing.

We walk by faith not by sight.

We store up a history in heaven with prayer and tears, then God responds big time if we remain faithful and don't blow it.

I waited on the wrong lady for 10 years - I felt my heart was being ripped out - then BOOM God intervened and miraculously spoke to my wife about marrying me - we hardly knew one another.

That was 37 years ago and 5 children later.

He causes rivers to flow in the desert of life.

Deep calls to deep.

Go through stuff faithfully and He will use you to be there for others.

There is no shortcut to spirituality.

Remain faithful.

Let Him work it out.
 
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In going through all these responses, perhaps I have missed your response, but I have three questions:
1. Have you asked God to provide you with a wife?
Yes, it would seem to be the obvious answer to your problem, but you would probably be surprised that somehow this option just never occurs to men who are hunting for a wife.
2. If you have asked, have you actually released the search to Him, and are you content to wait?
3. You are waiting for a wife, but what are you doing meanwhile to prepare yourself for marriage?
Remember, God's timing in this is so important!
So don't be impatient, and don't give up hope!
 
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Yeah, but, why are you wasting time being mad at them, and mad that you waited when no else has seemed to, instead of truly trying to find what it is you are wanting and are looking for, etc...?

I know that you say they are your "feelings", etc, but they are also "baggage" that could possibly set you up for "failure" if you finally do find what you want, etc...

You've got to get rid of that man, like some have said... Hate and anger and bitterness and resentment in your heart is "no good", and is even probably much worse than some who have a "sexual past", etc, and please do notice that I said "some", etc, because "some" had to have that experience to learn from it before they could truly commit to someone, etc, and you should not hate them for that, etc, and those "some" may even be able to "now" be much, much more loyal to someone like you now than even some innocent young virgin with no experience might be, or could be, etc, but you won't even consider it, etc, and there is even hatred toward all of them in your heart, etc, which is "not good", etc...

Look, I'm not saying you have to marry one, but just you make sure to get rid of all of that "baggage" before you find your young virgin wife, OK, and I've told you about maybe some of the only places you will probably be able to find her, etc, because it's not just whether she's a virgin or not if you ask me, because, if you do ask me, I think there is something very wrong with both men and women brought up in today's more modernized cultures, etc, they don't seem to know what it's really supposed to be like, or be all about, etc, in fact, they think it's all about them, etc, and that's a big major problem, etc...

If they had the kind of life people did a hundred or two years ago, etc, then maybe they wouldn't be this way, etc, but as it stands, they never did, and so they have "no clue", etc, and so they are very selfish and self-centered and self-absorbed as a result, which never works out, etc...

And some all but cut off, and very remote place in the world is probably the only place left your going to ever find it now, etc...

You just better make sure your not one them, etc, and that you don't have unrealistic expectations warped by our modernized cultures, and you are not selfish, or self-centered, or self-absorbed yourself, etc, or things will never work out well for you and any new wife, because your carrying that "junk" over into it with you, etc...

In my opinion, people are spoiled babies by what they have today, etc, and in my opinion, it very, very much "shows", etc...

And you need to find someone not like that, and you also not be like that as well, etc, or it will not at all matter if you actually do find what you are looking for, because none of it will ever work out in the long term or in the end anyway, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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You’re sinning. Whether its fornication or something else. Sex is your area of strength. But your weakness will be otherwise for someone else. That’s where it gets tricky.

You’re welcome to wait for a virgin as long as you understand the following:

Just because you’re a virgin doesn’t mean its a slam dunk. You may be turned down or overlooked by others like yourself.

It takes more than sexual restraint to build a relationship and make it last. That’s rarely the reason they end. Christian or otherwise.

You may be in for a wait whose length is unpredictable. Can you live with it? Can you watch others settle down while you’re waiting on the sidelines without growing angry or despondent?

No ones perfect. Not even you. People spend a lot of time listing the things they want and little gauging the flaws they can handle. You’ll have them in spades.

Just because she’s a virgin doesn’t mean she’s kind, patient, supportive, etc. If this is your must-have you should consider things beyond it. Qualities that enrich your person and relationship. You need them in tow as well.

Abstinence isn’t an impediment to friendships or a vibrant life. I’ve lived that way for years as has my daughter. We both have rich relationships. Your association with emptiness and betrayal suggests there’s bigger issues beneath the surface.

You’re using abstinence as a catchall for the things you lack. If you dig a little deeper you’ll find that isn’t the case. People aren’t rejecting you because you’re abstinent. How would they know unless you tell them? And why would you do that?
 
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I wouldn't set like a "requirement" for a woman to be a virgin, and burn bridges just because a woman you're seeing fornicated in the past.

We are afterall.. forgiven sinners.
 
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I posted this on Facebook recently, the post was: "What kills a relationship", etc...?

And this was my short and simple response, etc...

Most said "lies, infidelity, betrayl" and so on and so forth, etc, and while I agree with all of those things, you all probably already know how I like to try and think outside of the box, and post something others may not be thinking about (and/or had already posted about) and/or be "unique", etc, anyway, no one was posting about this, so this was my response, etc...

"Lack of maturity, and not realizing your working together in an equal partnership toward a common goal, and not knowing what that is beforehand, etc, and then also deviating from it also, etc.

Being selfish also, but that also goes along with what I just said, etc."

God Bless!
 
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Yes, as I mentioned above, I haven't had any luck with them. The vast majority of the users of these sites tend to skew older. Young people use hookup apps like Tinder, which is obviously more akin to a nightclub than a church.

How did you approach it?

Is there a city within driving distance? You could check if the churches have any singles groups advertised online.

If you are in a town with no women of the eligible age, and you have given up on online dating, you have worse odds than just the small number of people who meet your criteria. Because that small number of people that you are looking for are not where you are looking.
 
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Yup.
 
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Thanks to everyone for offering their input here. It sounds to me like the most logical thing to do would be to sleep around to lower the value of sex, and then repent when I'm ready to get married. If my future wife isn't allowed to judge me (and she's probably sleeping around right now anyway) and Jesus forgives all our sins- even the ones we do knowingly- then there's really no reason to wait. Nothing is going to hold me accountable except myself, and apparently I'm making myself a worse person and Christian by not fornicating before marriage. I don't want to hold anything against my future wife, and the only way this will be possible for me is for me to make the same mistakes.
 
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??? I don't follow your reasoning here. Your maintaining your virginity has nothing to do with the behaviour of the majority but should be an expression of your desire to honor and obey God. The Christian person abstains from sexual impurity because they love God who tells them to "flee fornication," not because they hope to marry someone who also is a virgin.

I didn't marry 'til I was 39. I've had sexual relations only with my wife, though she did not come to our marriage able to say the same. So what? I love my wife, not her sexual history; I wanted to marry her, not her virginity. Frankly, it is simple selfishness - a terrible corrosive to any marriage - that prompts your upset over how few virgins there are these days.


I'm sorry, but this is childish and demonstrates how little prepared you are for marriage. It also speaks volumes about your walk with God - and not in a good way.


It's all about you, eh? Friend, in your present state of mind and heart you'd make an awful husband to any woman - virgin or not.

You might want to spend some time considering carefully the graciousness, self-sacrificing love, and undeserved mercy God extends to you in Christ, offering to you through him what you absolutely don't deserve, adopting you as one of His own, wretched sinner though you are.
 
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Take it easy, dude.

You're looking for what is a statistically
very small percentage, so you'll want to start with a really large group.

The largest Christian dating site has 16 million users.
 
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This is a deception of the evil one. If you do this, you will damage yourself and damage others in the process in ways that cannot be naturally reversed. You will be investing toxicity in your future relationships. You will be putting God to the test, and resisting the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8), and sowing destruction (Galatians 6:7-8). You can choose better, though. All you have to do is obey, and discover better reasons for obedience than what you shared with us. I have them for my life. You can for yours, too.
 
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Honestly, I can practically see the pouting face writing this. If you draw the conclusion that "the most logical thing to do is to sleep around to lower the value of sex", etc, then you have completely missed the point that most are trying to tell you.

Did you abstain because you wanted to honor God? Or did you abstain to feel righteous and superior? Because it sounds to me like the latter.

You don't think you can find what you want, so you should go against what God instructs, which He did for your own good, and join the crowd? As my mother used to say to me, "If everybody else was jumping off a cliff, would you join them so you could be a part of group?"

The woman you meet who is the best match for you might be a virgin, or she might not. You said that you would reject her if she were not. You can do that; it's your choice to make. But it's sad to think of the joyful life you would miss having together because of this one thing.

You are proud of your virginity, this is apparent. That pride, that expectation and that entitlement will likely cause your bitterness to grow.

My recommendation is that you find a Godly older man to mentor you. You have lots of room for growth and maturity before you are ready to be a Godly husband. You might also read the book of Hosea.

Jesus left us with two commands: Love God, and love others as He has loved us. Jesus died for our sins, and washes us clean.This applies to you, to me, and if she is a follower of Christ, to women who have not lived up to your standards.
 
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I did it to honor God. Do you think I'd have passed up the 7 opportunities I had to engage in intercourse during high school if I wasn't?

I'm not proud of my virginity, I'm proud of the fact that I've had the courage to stick to the command that we should not commit the sin of fornication when 95% of the population doesn't.

My bitterness comes from the fact that people who have committed said sin or were lucky enough to grow up in a big city in 1980 and meet someone who didn't feel like they have the moral high ground to tell me how I should feel when they have no clue what it's like to be in my position.

I asked a reasonable question and everyone started to demean me for expecting Christians to follow the word of God. Silly me.
 
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I did it to honor God.

Then please do not answer sarcastically as though that was pointless.


Perhaps you need to state what it is you are looking for here.

Some indicated their current experience in the same situation. If you want support, try following up with them.

This is in the advice section. Some offered to look at how you might improve online efforts, which seem to be one of your only options. You could discuss that.

If you want a theological discussion of why Christians do not follow clear commandments, you could ask that the thread be moved to an appropriate forum, or start a new one.

Or, if you want this to go some other direction...you may need to weigh in on what that is. People are giving you their take one what you have stated is your situation. None of us are in your exact situation. So if you want advice, it has to come from the perspective of others. And you may need to state what type of feedback you want.
 
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I'm reluctant to keep replying, because I think it's becoming clear that this thread isn't really as helpful as one might have hoped, but I will try one last time to say something constructive.

I don't want to hold anything against my future wife, and the only way this will be possible for me is for me to make the same mistakes.

No, there is another way; but it involves a change of heart on your part.
 
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