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I'm reluctant to keep replying, because I think it's becoming clear that this thread isn't really as helpful as one might have hoped, but I will try one last time to say something constructive.



No, there is another way; but it involves a change of heart on your part.
I understand what your solution is- bend the knee and accept that another man (or multiple) has pleasured my wife and that she'll always remember those moments.
 
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I did it to honor God. Do you think I'd have passed up the 7 opportunities I had to engage in intercourse during high school if I wasn't?

I'm not proud of my virginity, I'm proud of the fact that I've had the courage to stick to the command that we should not commit the sin of fornication when 95% of the population doesn't.
Why throw that away?

My bitterness comes from the fact that people who have committed said sin or were lucky enough to grow up in a big city in 1980 and meet someone who didn't feel like they have the moral high ground to tell me how I should feel when they have no clue what it's like to be in my position.

I asked a reasonable question and everyone started to demean me for expecting Christians to follow the word of God. Silly me.
I've been a virgin longer than you've been alive, and I didn't do that.

I understand what your solution is- bend the knee and accept that another man (or multiple) has pleasured my wife and that she'll always remember those moments.
If you fornicate, that won't change, so fornication doesn't solve that problem.

Besides, you choose whomever you marry. Are you planning on choosing to marry someone who has a past? If so, are you planning on choosing a woman who also isn't worth it? Or do you plan on not marrying anyone until you meet a woman who is worth it?
 
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Thanks to everyone for offering their input here. It sounds to me like the most logical thing to do would be to sleep around to lower the value of sex, and then repent when I'm ready to get married. If my future wife isn't allowed to judge me (and she's probably sleeping around right now anyway) and Jesus forgives all our sins- even the ones we do knowingly- then there's really no reason to wait. Nothing is going to hold me accountable except myself, and apparently I'm making myself a worse person and Christian by not fornicating before marriage. I don't want to hold anything against my future wife, and the only way this will be possible for me is for me to make the same mistakes.

That is one of the more bizzare and deceptive responses I have heard here for some time.

Sin that Grace may abound?

Sounds like you are playing around with Christianity - dangerous territory.
 
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I did it to honor God. Do you think I'd have passed up the 7 opportunities I had to engage in intercourse during high school if I wasn't?

I'm not proud of my virginity, I'm proud of the fact that I've had the courage to stick to the command that we should not commit the sin of fornication when 95% of the population doesn't.

My bitterness comes from the fact that people who have committed said sin or were lucky enough to grow up in a big city in 1980 and meet someone who didn't feel like they have the moral high ground to tell me how I should feel when they have no clue what it's like to be in my position.

I asked a reasonable question and everyone started to demean me for expecting Christians to follow the word of God. Silly me.

Well it's up to you, to be unforgiving and burn bridges in what could be a good relationship (again, forgiven sinners and you're coming from a position of not forgiving a past sin a woman did)..
or to forgive and find something beautiful in this life.

Because if you hold out being unwilling to forgive? You just miss out. There is no chance after this life. Matthew 22:30.

Mind you, I'm not even considering YOU fornicating to be a viable option.

But rather just.. not making "she has to be a virgin" as a criteria. Because you're burning a lot of options that way.
 
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What if the right girl comes along, but she is not a virgin? Will you miss out on marrying the right girl, just because she is not a virgin, inspite of the fact that she is willing to commit herself to you for life? Why do you think that it works like that? God sends along the right girl, but she is not a virgin are you going to refuse God's provision for you, just because she is not a virgin? Don't you see how rediculous that is! Why don't you trust God to send along, who He knows is right for you and you are right for her as well?
 
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You’re talking around the truth…

You won’t marry a non virgin because she isn’t good enough. You expect your wife to save herself. If she didn’t you won’t marry her. Fornicating is the only way to make it even.

If sexual equity is a must stop complaining. You made the rule and eliminated women who didn’t meet your standard. If it takes a long time to find her so be it.

You made the choice. Accept the consequences of your decision. If you don’t like the price you’re paying change the rule.

You have some growing to do. Personally and spiritually. You aren’t prepared for the realities of marriage or its imperfections.
 
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I understand what your solution is- bend the knee and accept that another man (or multiple) has pleasured my wife and that she'll always remember those moments.

Smylie, if you feel that you're a man of firm principle, then just get yourself financially situated and pull out the stops for finding a virgin, Christian wife. Use the internet to reach far and wide (...although I'd think long and hard about reaching out internationally ... there's a whole lot of bureaucracy and red-tape to wade through if you do go beyond your nation's borders. ;) Canada is a 'big place.' Keep looking. Keep praying. Stay faithful to Christ! )
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the responses I've gotten. I do appreciate them.

I think I can sum up my inspiration for this thread like this: I feel as if I am not getting the choice to choose whether I'd like to marry a virgin or not, and this lack of having a choice is frustrating because I thought that at least 15% to 20% of the Christian population would have the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication. I figured I would be able to have higher standards for my fellow believers, but you've all explained that this wish is unreasonable. This is just the way it is, and now I know it.

A woman's virginity is not the be all and end all- I agree with this. I think people are misinterpreting my posts and responses. I never said it's a must for my wife to be a virgin. Many women lose their virginity between the ages of 14 and 18. If a woman is 23 and has been single and celibate for around 5+ years, for example, this is a good amount of time to allow for healing. The baggage brought to a relationship from someone like this would be reasonable. I could live with this- I never said I couldn't.

My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world, as such a large number of Christian men and women are not saving themselves for marriage. I live in a small town in a non-Christian country- I was just trying to get a pulse on the situation from the perspective of other Christians.

Sex is only 1 aspect of a marriage and it makes up such a small percentage of a lifetime that it's not worth getting so frustrated over. People have heard self-righteous virgins voice their displeasure in the past and have placed labels on me that are inaccurate. You all seem to think I'm talking down to those who didn't wait, but I'm not.
 
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I attempted to go to church on numerous occasions pre-pandemic but the gospel was not being preached. Also, everyone was 60+ years old. I live in a small retirement town with a population of 2,000 people- there are no young people here anymore.

why isn't your request for Christian advice "how do I meet a Christian woman & potential spouse?"

if you TRULY want to meet someone, you'd be looking for a job where there are young woman in the area

forget online dating! one needs to date in person and take one's date to nice places
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the responses I've gotten. I do appreciate them.

I think I can sum up my inspiration for this thread like this: I feel as if I am not getting the choice to choose whether I'd like to marry a virgin or not, and this lack of having a choice is frustrating because I thought that at least 15% to 20% of the Christian population would have the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication. I figured I would be able to have higher standards for my fellow believers, but you've all explained that this wish is unreasonable. This is just the way it is, and now I know it.

A woman's virginity is not the be all and end all- I agree with this. I think people are misinterpreting my posts and responses. I never said it's a must for my wife to be a virgin. Many women lose their virginity between the ages of 14 and 18. If a woman is 23 and has been single and celibate for around 5+ years, for example, this is a good amount of time to allow for healing. The baggage brought to a relationship from someone like this would be reasonable. I could live with this- I never said I couldn't.

My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world, as such a large number of Christian men and women are not saving themselves for marriage. I live in a small town in a non-Christian country- I was just trying to get a pulse on the situation from the perspective of other Christians.

Sex is only 1 aspect of a marriage and it makes up such a small percentage of a lifetime that it's not worth getting so frustrated over. People have heard self-righteous virgins voice their displeasure in the past and have placed labels on me that are inaccurate. You all seem to think I'm talking down to those who didn't wait, but I'm not.

Most Christians are no different to unbelievers and it's hard to distinguish them apart, except from church on Sunday. This is something it would seem, you were unaware of for quite some time and having a hard time with it, now you have become aware, this I understand.

Many professing Christians are not that bothered about sin, you see it all the time if you open your eyes and listen to them. If you say anything about it, they will say your judging or you should forgive and that it's not the Christian thing to do. Numerous excuses for their past and present ungodly behaviour as well as others with similar sins, instead of truly repenting of them.

I must admit, that as Christians we are not perfect and we do and will make mistakes along the way but that's different to trying to work around sin and embracing it as many Christians do nowadays.

Even scripture tells us it's hard to find a good woman, even more so in today's poisonous atmosphere.

It's not an easy life being a Christian if you embrace it fully and as it should be followed. You are clearly experiencing this which is not a bad thing, it shows you are on the right path. We are not told or shown by the Apostles examples that life as a Christian will be an easy path but a rewarding one after our journey is over. I pray that you will not drop your standard to meet the standards of world around you.

I would think you are quite surprised by many of the responses and attacks you've received from Christians especially when we are suppose to lift one another up and be gentle.

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the responses I've gotten. I do appreciate them.

I think I can sum up my inspiration for this thread like this: I feel as if I am not getting the choice to choose whether I'd like to marry a virgin or not, and this lack of having a choice is frustrating because I thought that at least 15% to 20% of the Christian population would have the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication. I figured I would be able to have higher standards for my fellow believers, but you've all explained that this wish is unreasonable. This is just the way it is, and now I know it.

A woman's virginity is not the be all and end all- I agree with this. I think people are misinterpreting my posts and responses. I never said it's a must for my wife to be a virgin. Many women lose their virginity between the ages of 14 and 18. If a woman is 23 and has been single and celibate for around 5+ years, for example, this is a good amount of time to allow for healing. The baggage brought to a relationship from someone like this would be reasonable. I could live with this- I never said I couldn't.

My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world, as such a large number of Christian men and women are not saving themselves for marriage. I live in a small town in a non-Christian country- I was just trying to get a pulse on the situation from the perspective of other Christians.

Sex is only 1 aspect of a marriage and it makes up such a small percentage of a lifetime that it's not worth getting so frustrated over. People have heard self-righteous virgins voice their displeasure in the past and have placed labels on me that are inaccurate. You all seem to think I'm talking down to those who didn't wait, but I'm not.

Okay, well, many women who are now Christian, did not grow up Christian, many people find Christ after they've been in the world some time. They sin, we all do. But through Christ our sins are forgiven.
Why be unforgiving of this one sin that a woman may have committed prior to becoming Christian?
 
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My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world,

For what it's worth, my responses were not aimed at saying you won't meet and marry a virgin; you may. I'm in no position to give you dating advice, but such women do exist.

You did come across as very angry and bitter about that, though; even despairing. And it was that that I was trying to address. To say that if this is how you feel, then a different approach to your situation might help.
 
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there have been Christian-specific surveys taken that show that 80% of the Christian population has had sex before marriage (it's probably more). I feel like I've been lied to, betrayed, and that I've wasted my time by waiting.

Well you have to consider that the majority of Christians didn’t actually come to Christ until later in their life. I didn’t come to Christ until I was 38 years old. So that is probably a large contributing factor to that equation.
 
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Hi everyone.

I'm a 25-year-old who has been a Christian his entire life. Between the ages of 10 and 20, I didn't have the luxury of being in a church environment regularly. However, I never fell from God- I was always aware of his presence and did pray fairly regularly on my own before bed and before meals. With this said, when I turned 20, I decided to take it upon myself to become more devout, and I have since been reading my bible daily for the past 4+ years and studying scripture quite intensely.

Lately, I've been struggling with the idea of waiting until marriage to have sex- but not in the way you might think. I have personally never engaged in any sexual activities with another individual. I had the opportunity to do so many times in high school, but it never felt like the right thing to do, so I didn't. I could've had at least 7 sexual partners by the time I was 18, but I rejected the advances of all of them (imagine how many more opportunities I would've had if I would've went to college). This is extremely hard to do as a man in today's culture where virgins are laughed at and demeaned.

Keeping these things in mind, the thought of not being able to marry a woman who has also waited has been filling me with extreme dread for weeks now. I've seen surveys that claim that only 5% of the total population maintains their virginity past the age of 25. Similarly, there have been Christian-specific surveys taken that show that 80% of the Christian population has had sex before marriage (it's probably more). I feel like I've been lied to, betrayed, and that I've wasted my time by waiting.

The primary reason we wait is to honor God. Some secondary reasons include the increased divorce rate of individuals who have been sexually active outside of marriage, not wanting to deal with the baggage of past relationships, and wanting to be able to fully trust our partners. I fully agree with these reasons for waiting among other things, but nobody else seems to (until after they've fornicated).

Waiting to have sex has caused me to miss out on friendships, relationships, and experiences. Now, I'm 25, self-employed, and I have no friends. I live in a frozen wasteland (Canada) in a tiny retirement town and I haven't seen a girl in real life under the age of 35 since 2018, let alone a Christian girl. Waiting to have sex hasn't just cost me physical pleasure- it's cost me much more.

So, I have to ask: Is it unreasonable of me to prefer to date/marry a woman who has also waited? I've resisted fornication. I could've snapped my fingers and my virginity could've been gone. But I didn't. I feel as if doing so has been a waste of time because no young woman seems to have waited as I have.

It's not about the physical activity that makes me not want to date/marry a woman who has not had sex before. It's about not wanting to inherit baggage and being able to trust my partner to remain faithful by ensuring they don't look at everything through the lens the culture has trained people to look through- the sexual lens.

I'm just very frustrated by the fact that I've done everything that has been asked of me via the directives in the bible and essentially nobody else has. It seems like the only women who don't have sex before marriage either had no interest from men or no opportunities and are now 30+ years old or got married when they were 18 to 22 and are unavailable to me.

Isn't there a single attractive girl walking on this planet between the ages of 18 and 25 who have resisted the sin of fornication? Not because they didn't have the opportunity to engage in intercourse, but because they've been courageous enough to say "no" as I have? It seems like there aren't.

Honestly, I've been tempted to sleep around like everyone else so I can no longer expect or want to date/marry a virgin, as doing so would make me a hypocrite. The only thing keeping me from doing this is knowing that fornication is a sin and the 0.000001% chance that I'll find a virgin woman who I like but won't want to be with me because of my forced baggage.

I was planning to travel around the USA soon for 6 months, and one of my motivations for doing so was the prospect of meeting a Godly woman who is a virgin like me (if I'm being honest). Now, I don't feel like there's any point. All 99% of women (and men, to be fair) do nowadays is justify their sins and "past" and expect you to not care about the fact that they have an emotional bond with another person (or multiple), even though you've been resisting this sin since birth (partly for them) while it has affected your life negatively.

Any insights would be appreciated. I've tried to validate my decision to wait for 24/7 over the past few weeks by reading scripture, consuming content, etc. but the fact of the matter is, there's an incredibly low chance of me finding a woman who has done for me what I have done for her. I understand that marriage isn't guaranteed to everyone (nothing is guaranteed) but the reality is that if I had done what everybody else seems to do, I'd have had many girlfriends or been married by now because fornication wouldn't have been an issue to me.

Sounds like you need to move to the Philippines where it is very common that women wait until they are married before having sex. In their culture women are despised who engage in premarital sex. Not only that but there’s tons of beautiful God fearing women there who hold the same values you do, only thing is most of them are Roman Catholic. So the women your looking for are out there, they’re just not in Canada apparently. Good luck brother God be with you.
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the responses I've gotten. I do appreciate them.

I think I can sum up my inspiration for this thread like this: I feel as if I am not getting the choice to choose whether I'd like to marry a virgin or not, and this lack of having a choice is frustrating because I thought that at least 15% to 20% of the Christian population would have the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication. I figured I would be able to have higher standards for my fellow believers, but you've all explained that this wish is unreasonable. This is just the way it is, and now I know it.

A woman's virginity is not the be all and end all- I agree with this. I think people are misinterpreting my posts and responses. I never said it's a must for my wife to be a virgin. Many women lose their virginity between the ages of 14 and 18. If a woman is 23 and has been single and celibate for around 5+ years, for example, this is a good amount of time to allow for healing. The baggage brought to a relationship from someone like this would be reasonable. I could live with this- I never said I couldn't.

My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world, as such a large number of Christian men and women are not saving themselves for marriage. I live in a small town in a non-Christian country- I was just trying to get a pulse on the situation from the perspective of other Christians.

Sex is only 1 aspect of a marriage and it makes up such a small percentage of a lifetime that it's not worth getting so frustrated over. People have heard self-righteous virgins voice their displeasure in the past and have placed labels on me that are inaccurate. You all seem to think I'm talking down to those who didn't wait, but I'm not.

I think one thing you want to hear from this forum is that you're right. It's not unreasonable for you to expect other Christians to save themselves. I agree with everyone that it's unreasonable to expect all Christians to save themselves. Everyone won't, no. But some will. I've read over quite a few responses from this forum. I don't think you need to go to a tribe in Africa to find a virgin woman. There are plenty of virgin Christian women out there! And since you're only 25, there definitely will be virgin women in your age range. I would just recommend spending time outside your retirement community to find someone. There will always be Bible-believing Christian communities where some people will wait, no matter how worldly the world is. And you only need to find one person to marry. It's not a numbers game, in my opinion. God may very well lead you to the person you're to marry.

While I agree with what others have said that abstinence is to honor God and that virginity isn't a requirement of marriage, I think the situation may not be as dire as everyone is saying. Yes, the stats aren't great, but you just need to find a community of like-minded Christians.
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the responses I've gotten. I do appreciate them.

I think I can sum up my inspiration for this thread like this: I feel as if I am not getting the choice to choose whether I'd like to marry a virgin or not, and this lack of having a choice is frustrating because I thought that at least 15% to 20% of the Christian population would have the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication. I figured I would be able to have higher standards for my fellow believers, but you've all explained that this wish is unreasonable. This is just the way it is, and now I know it.

Apparently, in these days, the sort of woman you're looking for is very rare (though, I'm not so sure). She's a woman who has kept herself pure before God, obedient to Him, holy. She would do this, one would hope, because she loves God dearly, wanting to please Him in every area of her life. Such a woman would be precious indeed, deserving of a man who also deeply desires God, a holy man, a man of love, and grace, and humility. Should God act to move such a woman into the sphere of any other sort of man? I don't think so.

Are you such a man? No.

You have aired your disappointment with the average Christian woman repeatedly on this thread, deriding them, as you do above, for not having "the restraint to follow God's word regarding fornication." But your standard of comparison seems to be yourself: compared to you, one who has restrained himself from fornication (so far), the average Christian woman is a failure. You, though, aren't The Standard, brother. Compared to God, you are, in your own way, as miserable and failing as any of the woman at whom you've pointed the finger in condemnation. Your frustration and criticism of the Christian women who have yielded to sin in the area of their sexuality seems to ignore this entirely. Your frustration appears to be more about not getting what you want than a godly sorrow over sin in the lives of your sisters in Christ. If there is a woman who, out of a deep love for God, has kept herself for marriage, I can't imagine God would direct her to a man so occupied with himself.

A woman's virginity is not the be all and end all- I agree with this. I think people are misinterpreting my posts and responses. I never said it's a must for my wife to be a virgin. Many women lose their virginity between the ages of 14 and 18. If a woman is 23 and has been single and celibate for around 5+ years, for example, this is a good amount of time to allow for healing. The baggage brought to a relationship from someone like this would be reasonable. I could live with this- I never said I couldn't.

If so many are responding to you as though you hadn't said so, maybe you haven't been clear that you could "live with it." You know, though, when people use the phrase "live with it" they are typically referring to some unpleasant reality they'd like to change if they could but cannot. They don't like it and only grudgingly accept the unchangeability of the unpleasant reality, "living with it" because they must, enduring the burden, the handicap to really enjoying life, that the unpleasant reality requires. Is this how you mean "live with it"? I hope not. Woe betide the woman who would marry a man who feels like this about her and her past.

My objective was to determine if it is even a reasonable ask in today's world, as such a large number of Christian men and women are not saving themselves for marriage. I live in a small town in a non-Christian country- I was just trying to get a pulse on the situation from the perspective of other Christians.

If you want the sort of woman you seem to want, a holy, Christ-honoring woman, you'd better be the sort of man who deserves such a woman, a man who can lead her ever-deeper into communion with Christ, a man who is himself filled with the Spirit, holy, desiring God above all else.

Sex is only 1 aspect of a marriage and it makes up such a small percentage of a lifetime that it's not worth getting so frustrated over. People have heard self-righteous virgins voice their displeasure in the past and have placed labels on me that are inaccurate. You all seem to think I'm talking down to those who didn't wait, but I'm not.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...If you aren't really a man talking down to women who've fallen sexually into sin, you're doing a very good impression of one.

You are exactly right that sex constitutes only a very small part of the whole of a marriage relationship. As powerful and pleasant as sex is, it is on the periphery of marriage, secondary to far more vital things that are the true core of marriage: Christ-centeredness, self-sacrifice, faithfulness, patience, humility, humor, etc.
 
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