I don't care if you think abortion is wrong.

Electric Skeptic said:

No, when a person decides to have sex they are not giving any baby permission to be there. Their actions are saying nothing at all to do with any baby.

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Since the sexual act is designed for intimacy in which the fruit born of that intimacy would be a baby, then they are giving permission for a child to be there. If I plant a seed in the ground, I am by that very act, giving a tree and all its fruit permission to be there.How ridiculous it would be to say that I put the seed in the ground, but I didn't give it permission to grow into a tree.

Electric Skeptic said:

Yup. A fetus fits that definition perfectly.

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you don't comprehend too well do you.. A parasite is a different species that attaches itself to the host. A fetus dosen't attach itself to the mother, since the egg already exists in her and is formed by HER OWN cells and the sperms, meaning that there is no external intrusion. Also parasitism dosen't result in birth.

What is more symbiotic? Certainly not a virus or a flesh eating bacteria, or cancer or syphillis, hepatitis and other diseases that are opportunistic; They have only one function; To feed and procreate its own progenitor, coldly, efficiently, with single minderdness. It leaves the host organism weak and in need of medical intervention to identiy and stop the intruder. Death is temporarily placed on hold. I didn't mention that parasites die with the host, in humans the parasitic fetus does not die but is forcfully ejected. If rejected, the baby will die. Like puppies and kittens the human infant is too compellingly beautiful for the mother to resist(unless she is cold and evil); she soon forgets the trouble and energy that went into producing and nurturing the infant
its first months, all important childhood, difficulties of adolescence, and the all important task of making sure the individual is prepared to leave the nest and care for itself in a different enviornment. No other parasite enjoys this special relationship, and is only one of many special characteristics that make the human species dynamic and viable.

PeterMaclellan said:

You miss the point, nowhere in the post did I pass judgement on whether abortion is right or wrong. Personally I believe abortion is wrong, but thats the point. MY BELIEFS DONT MATTER UNLESS IT'S MY KID. I don't have a right to tell someone they can't have an abortion just because I find it distasteful, and neither do you.



If I were to tell you that you cannot be Christian because I think Christianity is wrong, what would your reaction be? Now you understand how other feel when you try to force them to abide by your beliefs. You don't like abortion? Fine, go nuts, disown your kids if they get one, but mind your own business and stay the hell out of others.
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Do you have a right to tell a mother that she should not kill her new born baby?

Romanseight2005 said:

That's the whole point. When a person decides to have sex, they are giving a baby permission to be there. Since one of the functions of sex is to create life, then the very act itself is saying, I am ready for a baby. If that's not what they are thinking in their head, that's what their actions are saying.

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I could not have said it any better.

Renton405 said:

you don't comprehend too well do you.. A parasite is a different species that attaches itself to the host. A fetus dosen't attach itself to the mother, since the egg already exists in her and is formed by HER OWN cells and the sperms, meaning that there is no external intrusion. Also parasitism dosen't result in birth.

What is more symbiotic? Certainly not a virus or a flesh eating bacteria, or cancer or syphillis, hepatitis and other diseases that are opportunistic; They have only one function; To feed and procreate its own progenitor, coldly, efficiently, with single minderdness. It leaves the host organism weak and in need of medical intervention to identiy and stop the intruder. Death is temporarily placed on hold. I didn't mention that parasites die with the host, in humans the parasitic fetus does not die but is forcfully ejected. If rejected, the baby will die. Like puppies and kittens the human infant is too compellingly beautiful for the mother to resist(unless she is cold and evil); she soon forgets the trouble and energy that went into producing and nurturing the infant
its first months, all important childhood, difficulties of adolescence, and the all important task of making sure the individual is prepared to leave the nest and care for itself in a different enviornment. No other parasite enjoys this special relationship, and is only one of many special characteristics that make the human species dynamic and viable.

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Oh whatever Renton405!

It is true what King Solomon said when gave the understanding if you argue with a fool, whether the fool laughs or rages, you will never find rest with him/her.

You are so smart that you lack COMMON SENSE.

How sad :-(

Romanseight2005 said:

But then all children would be considered parasites until they reach the age of 18. Children are dependent upon their parents for survival in all ways until they reach adulthood.

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No, they're not. A child isn't 'in or on' its parent.

Romanseight2005 said:

Since the sexual act is designed for intimacy in which the fruit born of that intimacy would be a baby, then they are giving permission for a child to be there. If I plant a seed in the ground, I am by that very act, giving a tree and all its fruit permission to be there.How ridiculous it would be to say that I put the seed in the ground, but I didn't give it permission to grow into a tree.

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Pregnancy is a sometime consequence of sex. It's perfectly possible to have sex without it resulting in pregnancy. Saying by having sex you are giving permission for pregnancy is like saying by driving a car you are giving permission for someone to crash into you - since that sometimes happens.

Sorry, but having sex in no way gives any permission to any baby.

Renton405 said:

you don't comprehend too well do you.. A parasite is a different species that attaches itself to the host. A fetus dosen't attach itself to the mother, since the egg already exists in her and is formed by HER OWN cells and the sperms, meaning that there is no external intrusion. Also parasitism dosen't result in birth.

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I grow sick of your insults. You repeatedly asked for a text which referred to the fetus as a parasite - you were given one. Now that one's not good enough for you, and you want to continue to argue the point. Have fun. Take it up with the author of the prominent Ob/Gyn text in the US, who says the fetus is a parasite. Take it up with the authors of the only medical dictionary definition given, by which the fetus is a parasite.

In short, take it up with someone who is willing to continue to argue with you when it's obvious you just don't want to hear.

Renton405 said:

What is more symbiotic? Certainly not a virus or a flesh eating bacteria, or cancer or syphillis, hepatitis and other diseases that are opportunistic; They have only one function; To feed and procreate its own progenitor, coldly, efficiently, with single minderdness. It leaves the host organism weak and in need of medical intervention to identiy and stop the intruder. Death is temporarily placed on hold. I didn't mention that parasites die with the host, in humans the parasitic fetus does not die but is forcfully ejected. If rejected, the baby will die. Like puppies and kittens the human infant is too compellingly beautiful for the mother to resist(unless she is cold and evil); she soon forgets the trouble and energy that went into producing and nurturing the infant
its first months, all important childhood, difficulties of adolescence, and the all important task of making sure the individual is prepared to leave the nest and care for itself in a different enviornment. No other parasite enjoys this special relationship, and is only one of many special characteristics that make the human species dynamic and viable.

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I've no idea what this drivel is for. I'm assuming you didn't write it, in which case you should source it. Either way, it's useless to the discussion.

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You really need to learn to debate better than that.

Electric Skeptic said:

I grow sick of your insults. You repeatedly asked for a text which referred to the fetus as a parasite - you were given one. Now that one's not good enough for you, and you want to continue to argue the point. Have fun. Take it up with the author of the prominent Ob/Gyn text in the US, who says the fetus is a parasite. Take it up with the authors of the only medical dictionary definition given, by which the fetus is a parasite.

In short, take it up with someone who is willing to continue to argue with you when it's obvious you just don't want to hear.


I've no idea what this drivel is for. I'm assuming you didn't write it, in which case you should source it. Either way, it's useless to the discussion.

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You obviously have no idea, because you can't comprehend anything im saying. And all the posts you have posted list nothing that classifys a fetus as a parasite..Then I posted a definition of a parasite from the same book you posted your phrase. Which says a parasite is from another species..


bigFen.. I have no idea what your talking about...I was answering electric skeptics post, not yours..

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You obviously have no idea

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I have no idea what the drivel in your previous post was about or for.

Renton405 said:

because you can't comprehend anything im saying. And all the posts you have posted list nothing that classifys a fetus as a parasite..Then I posted a definition of a parasite from the same book you posted your phrase. Which says a parasite is from another species..

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You asked for and received a quote from a science text which specifically calls the fetus a parasite. Now (of course) you decide that's not enough for you.

It appears that you're not interested in the facts, just in pushing your agenda. Have fun with that.

Electric Skeptic said:

I have no idea what the drivel in your previous post was about or for.


You asked for and received a quote from a science text which specifically calls the fetus a parasite. Now (of course) you decide that's not enough for you.

It appears that you're not interested in the facts, just in pushing your agenda. Have fun with that.

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This is my last post on this, because I can't get through to you it seems

1. a) A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.)
   b) A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.
2. a) A parasite is an invading organism -- coming to parasitize the host from an outside source. b) A human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg -- the egg coming from an inside source, being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the oviduct where it may be fertilized to form the zygote -- the first cell of the new human being.
3. a) A parasite is generally harmful to some degree to the host that is harboring the parasite. b) A human embryo or fetus developing in the uterine cavity does not usually cause harm to the mother, although it may if proper nutrition and care is not maintained by the mother.
4. a) A parasite makes direct contact with the host's tissues, often holding on by either mouth parts, hooks or suckers to the tissues involved (intestinal lining, lungs, connective tissue, etc.). b) A human embryo or fetus makes direct contact with the uterine lining of the mother for only a short period of time. It soon becomes isolated inside its own amniotic sac, and from that point on makes indirect contact with the mother only by way of the umbilical cord and placenta.
5. a) When a parasite invades host tissue, the host tissue will sometimes respond by forming a capsule (of connective tissue) to surround the parasite and cut it off from other surrounding tissue (examples would be Paragonimus westermani, lung fluke, or Oncocerca volvulus, a nematode worm causing cutaneous filariasis in the human). b) When the human embryo or fetus attaches to and invades the lining tissue of the mother's uterus, the lining tissue responds by surrounding the human embryo and does not cut it off from the mother, but rather establishes a means of close contact (the placenta) between the mother and the new human being.
6. a) When a parasite invades a host, the host will usually respond by forming antibodies in response to the somatic antigens (molecules comprising the body of the parasite) or metabolic antigens (molecules secreted or excreted by the parasite) of the parasite. Parasitism usually involves an immunological response on the part of the host. (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 8.) b) New evidence, presented by Beer and Billingham in their article, "The Embryo as a Transplant" (Scientific American, April, 1974), indicates that the mother does react to the presence of the embryo by producing humoral antibodies, but they suggest that the trophoblast -- the jacket of cells surrounding the embryo -- blocks the action of these antibodies and therefore the embryo or fetus is not rejected. This reaction is unique to the embryo-mother relationship.
7. a) A parasite is generally detrimental to the reproductive capacity of the invaded host. The host may be weakened, diseased or killed by the parasite, thus reducing or eliminating the host's capacity to reproduce. b) A human embryo or fetus is absolutely essential to the reproductive capacity of the involved mother (and species). The mother is usually not weakened, diseased or killed by the presence of the embryo or fetus, but rather is fully tolerant of this offspring which must begin his or her life in this intimate and highly specialized relationship with the mother.
8. a) A parasite is an organism that, once it invades the definitive host, will usually remain with host for life (as long as it or the host survives). b) A human embryo or fetus has a temporary association with the mother, remaining only a number of months in the uterus.

A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).
A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive,healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species.

[This data was compiled by Thomas L. Johnson, Professor of Biology, Mary Washington College, Fredericksburg, VA. Professor Johnson teaches Chordate Embryology and Parasitology. This is reprinted, with the author's permission, from the National Right to Life News, April-May, 1974. It also appears in "The Position of Modern Science on the Beginning of Human Life," by Scientists for Life. $1.75 plus postage for



Please read it and don't ignore it like you do everything that trys to respect the dignity of human life.

Secondly. May God have mercy on your soul. And that I love you as a fellow human and am simple telling you this in order to help you.. Try to stop being so stubborn.

Renton405 said:

and heres the definition from your wonderful Stedmans medical dictionary that you cite

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1. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

definition of a parasite to an organism that is phylogenetically unrelated to its host, lives in or on its host, and is a eukaryote. The latter excludes bacteria and viruses. By tradition, fungi are also excluded (although they are also eukaryotic

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um, a foetus IS sheltered in a different organism!

EnemyPartyII said:

um, a foetus IS sheltered in a different organism!

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LoL, the things some people come up with. The mother herself produces the fetus from HER OWN body.. A parasite is an external species that comes from an OUTER source... So unless a fetus with wings from another species flew into the womans uterus and attached itself to her, then the fetus is not a parasite..

Secondly, nearly all species of parasites don't have backbones or spines and are microbes..

PROTOZOA
Making up approximately 70 percent of all parasites, protozoa are invisible to the naked eye. They are one-celled microscopic organisms, but don't let their size fool you. Certain protoans, through their intensely rapid reproductive ability, can take over the intestinal tract of their host; and from there go on to other organs and tissues. Some feed on red blood cells. Some protozoa produce cysts - closed sacs in which they may be safely transported through food and water from one person to another. In the cyst state, protozoans are safe from destruction by human digestive juices. These one-celled 'vampires' can actually destroy the tissues of their hosts. According to experts, an estimated 7 million people across the U.S. have some form of protozoa living inside of them. Common protozoa include: Endolimax nana, Giardia lamblia, Entamoeba histolytica, Cryptosporidum parvum, Blastocystis hominis, Trichomonas vaginalis, Toxoplasma gondii, Cyclospora cayetanensis, Cryptosporidium muris, Pneumocystis carinii, Plasmodium malariae, Plasmodium ovale, Plasmodium vivax, Plasmodium falciparum, Leishmania donovani, Leishmania tropica, and Leishmania braziliensis.
NEMATODE
While the protozoans are only single-celled, nematode creatures are multi cellular. The adult worms multiply by producing eggs called ova or larvae. The eggs usually become infectious in soil or in an intermediate host before humans are infected. It is interesting to note that unless the worm infection is heavy, many individuals do not show signs of disease. While it may be unpleasant to consider, it is true that the human host can coexist quite comfortably with a few worms, unless they reproduce in great numbers and create organ obstruction. Experts claim that 'some type of worm is already in the intestines of over 75 percent of the world's population'. This is a frightening statement. Common nematode include: Roundworm (Ascaris lumbricoides), Hookworm (Necator Americanus, Ancylostoma duodenal), Pinworm (Enterobius vermicularis), Roundworm (Toxocara canis, Toxocara cati), Heart worm (Dirofilaria immitis), Strongyloides (Stronglyoides stercoralis), Trichinella (Trichinella spiralis), Filaria (Wuchereria bancrofti, Brugia malayi, Onchocerca volvulus, Loa loa, Mansonella streptocerca, Mansonella perstans, Mansonella ozzardi), and Anisakine larvae.
CESTODA
Among the oldest known parasites, tapeworms are considered humanity's largest intestinal inhabitant. They each have a scolex (head) that attaches to the intestinal wall. As long as the head remains attached to the intestinal mucosa, a new worm can grow from it. Tapeworms do not contain digestive tracts but get their nourishment by absorbing partially digested substances from the host. They are whitish in color, flat, and ribbon-like, with a covering that is a transparent skin-like layer. Common cestoda include: Beef tapeworm (Taenia saginata), Pork tapeworm (Taenia solium), Fish tapeworm (Diphyllobothrium latum), and Dog tapeworm (Dipylidium caninum).
TREMATODE
Trematode are leaf-shaped flatworms also known as flukes. They are parasitic during nearly all of their life-cycle forms. The cycle begins when larvae are released into freshwater by infected snails. The free-swimming larvae can then directly penetrate the skin of the human host or are ingested after encysting in or on various edible, vegetation, fish, or crustaceans. Common trematode include: Intestinal fluke (Fasciolopsis buski), Blood fluke (Schistosoma japonicum, Schistosoma mansoni) Schistosoma haematobium), Liver fluke (Clonorchis sinensis), Oriental lung fluke (Paragonimus westermani), and Sheep liver fluke (Fasciola hepatica).

A parasite is an external species that comes from an OUTER source...

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yep... thats where you are adding bits that weren';t in the original definition.

A parasite is an organism that draws sustenance from another organism, without providing any material benefit to the host organism.

Thats a foetus, right there, although congratulations, i never realized that microbes could be red herrings before! But, not that you will let facts get in the way of your diatribe, for the sake of thoroughness, other vertebrate parasites, lampreys (and hagfish, yech!) are ecto-parasites. Another vertebrate ectoparasite would be vampire bats. I'm sure there are other marine examples, not least the angler fish, where the male of the species parasitically attaches to the female in a permanent fusion. If we broaden the forms of parasitism we're willing to consider, cuckoos provide an example of kleptoparasitism, brood parasitism: they "trick" other birds into raising their young.

The Wikipedia article on Parasite notes "Depending on the definition used, as many as half of all animals have at least one parasitic phase in their life cycles."

looking forward to your upcoming continuation of the word redefinition project

Renton405 said:

This is my last post on this, because I can't get through to you it seems

1. a) A parasite is defined as an organism of one species living in or on an organism of another species (a heterospecific relationship) and deriving its nourishment from the host (is metabolically dependent on the host). (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 7, 1973.)
   b) A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.
2. a) A parasite is an invading organism -- coming to parasitize the host from an outside source. b) A human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg -- the egg coming from an inside source, being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the oviduct where it may be fertilized to form the zygote -- the first cell of the new human being.
3. a) A parasite is generally harmful to some degree to the host that is harboring the parasite. b) A human embryo or fetus developing in the uterine cavity does not usually cause harm to the mother, although it may if proper nutrition and care is not maintained by the mother.
4. a) A parasite makes direct contact with the host's tissues, often holding on by either mouth parts, hooks or suckers to the tissues involved (intestinal lining, lungs, connective tissue, etc.). b) A human embryo or fetus makes direct contact with the uterine lining of the mother for only a short period of time. It soon becomes isolated inside its own amniotic sac, and from that point on makes indirect contact with the mother only by way of the umbilical cord and placenta.
5. a) When a parasite invades host tissue, the host tissue will sometimes respond by forming a capsule (of connective tissue) to surround the parasite and cut it off from other surrounding tissue (examples would be Paragonimus westermani, lung fluke, or Oncocerca volvulus, a nematode worm causing cutaneous filariasis in the human). b) When the human embryo or fetus attaches to and invades the lining tissue of the mother's uterus, the lining tissue responds by surrounding the human embryo and does not cut it off from the mother, but rather establishes a means of close contact (the placenta) between the mother and the new human being.
6. a) When a parasite invades a host, the host will usually respond by forming antibodies in response to the somatic antigens (molecules comprising the body of the parasite) or metabolic antigens (molecules secreted or excreted by the parasite) of the parasite. Parasitism usually involves an immunological response on the part of the host. (See Cheng, T.C., General Parasitology, p. 8.) b) New evidence, presented by Beer and Billingham in their article, "The Embryo as a Transplant" (Scientific American, April, 1974), indicates that the mother does react to the presence of the embryo by producing humoral antibodies, but they suggest that the trophoblast -- the jacket of cells surrounding the embryo -- blocks the action of these antibodies and therefore the embryo or fetus is not rejected. This reaction is unique to the embryo-mother relationship.
7. a) A parasite is generally detrimental to the reproductive capacity of the invaded host. The host may be weakened, diseased or killed by the parasite, thus reducing or eliminating the host's capacity to reproduce. b) A human embryo or fetus is absolutely essential to the reproductive capacity of the involved mother (and species). The mother is usually not weakened, diseased or killed by the presence of the embryo or fetus, but rather is fully tolerant of this offspring which must begin his or her life in this intimate and highly specialized relationship with the mother.
8. a) A parasite is an organism that, once it invades the definitive host, will usually remain with host for life (as long as it or the host survives). b) A human embryo or fetus has a temporary association with the mother, remaining only a number of months in the uterus.

A parasite is an organism that associates with the host in a negative, unhealthy and nonessential (nonessential to the host) manner which will often damage the host and detrimentally affect the procreative capacity of the host (and species).
A human embryo or fetus is a human being that associates with the mother in a positive,healthful essential manner necessary for the procreation of the species.

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I'm not interested in pointing out the abundant falsehoods in the above.

You asked for and received a quote from a science text which specifically calls the fetus a parasite. Now (of course) you decide that's not enough for you. You were even given the definition from the only medical dictionary cited in this thread - which also confirms that the fetus is a parasite. That wasn't enough for you either. It's clear nothing will be enough for you. You don't want to hear that the fetus is a parasite because you imagine that says something about the fetus' worth.

The facts have been given to you; ignore them if you want.

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Please read it and don't ignore it like you do everything that trys to respect the dignity of human life.

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Again you attack me. Point out where I have stated anything at all about the dignity of human life. Point out anywhere I have shown anything at all that indicates I don't respect the dignity of human life.

You can't. You imagine that identifying the fetus as a parasite makes some judgement about its worth, and then further imagine that everyone else agrees with you that it does. You're wrong. I have repeatedly stated that identifying the fetus as a parasite says nothing at all about its worth and makes no moral comment in any way. You choose to ignore this and continue to attack me. I am sick of it. This will be my last post to you on the subject until you learn to discuss the issue and not attack those who you can't convince.

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This is my last post on this, because I can't get through to you it seems

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Translation... "If you're going to cheat by putting facts in the story, I'm taking my bat and ball and going home"

I'm not interested in pointing out the abundant falsehoods in the above.

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Obviously, you can't answer any objection that has been put up..

Now if you went through those 8 facts that I posted on why a fetus is NOT a parasite and answered them each. Then you might have some dignity... But.....

Translation... "If you're going to cheat by putting facts in the story, I'm taking my bat and ball and going home"

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Problem is that there are no facts, lol. None of his definitions said a fetus is a parasite. And the second definition said that a parasite comes from another species. Whos the one ignoring the facts again?? St. Paul said they are given over to a reprobate mind, so the truth dosen't pierce through in them and they refuse it at all costs..

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Obviously, you can't answer any objection that has been put up.

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False. I choose not to do so, for the simple reason that it would serve no purpose. You aren't interested in facts; pointing out the falsehoods would be a waste of my time, just as it was a waste of time giving you what you wanted - a text which refers to the fetus as a parasite. That was given, and (of course) you decide that that's not enough. It's apparent that no matter what is given to you, that will be not enough for you. So you are free to believe whatever best suits you; obviously you will do so anyway, regardless of any facts that are shown to you.

Renton405 said:

Now if you went through those 8 facts that I posted on why a fetus is NOT a parasite and answered them each. Then you might have some dignity... But..

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Your behaviour in this thread shows that you are not qualified to speak of dignity.

Renton405 said:

Obviously, you can't answer any objection that has been put up..

Now if you went through those 8 facts that I posted on why a fetus is NOT a parasite and answered them each. Then you might have some dignity... But.....



Problem is that there are no facts, lol. None of his definitions said a fetus is a parasite. And the second definition said that a parasite comes from another species. Whos the one ignoring the facts again?? St. Paul said they are given over to a reprobate mind, so the truth dosen't pierce through in them and they refuse it at all costs..

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sorry? where is the definition of parasite that says it must come from another species? I missed that one!

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parasite definitions

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Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite?cat=health

Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4769

Something that lives in, with, or on another organism and obtains benefits from the host, which it usually injures. http://www.everythingbio.com/glos/definition.php?word=parasite

All of whyich pretty accurately describe the relationship between a mother and a foetus in placental mammals

But hey, the word re-definition project must roll on, huh?

Wow... we've got a new breed of fundy on this board.
The kind that asks for explicit evidence.
Receives explicit evidence.
Then continues posting in the same thread saying no evidence was given.
I mean before they would wait until another thread to make that claim in hopes of appealing to the peanut gallery.
So bearing false witness is ok as long as you think it's for Jesus?


Anyway...
People keep asking for the point of illuminating others of the fact that a fetus is a parasite. It's because as anti-choicers attempt to deny women of their reproductive rights they paint this picture of the unborn as this beautiful bundle of joy. For a woman that wants a child I'm sure this is the case. As for an unwanted pregnancy it's important to understand precisely the relationship the unborn human has with it's host. A fetus absolutely ravages a woman's body during pregnancy. Because of this no one should be forced to go through this without their consent. No human, born or unborn has the right to live inside you, feeding off your biological resources without your consent. In the civilized world we don't enslave a person's body to support the life of another. Pro-choice = anti-slavery. That's ultimately what we're fighting against for those that want to force a woman to carry a child to term.

And again, as Electric keeps attempting to clarify - calling it a parasite says nothing to the worth of the fetus. It's being biologically accurate as to what the fetus does. Just because the word has negative connotations in someone's mind doesn't make it any less true.