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yes, thats why they don't recomend breast feeding as a contraceptive method. However, when it DOES work... thats HOW it works.Ah. Glad to see what consideration this is worth. I've had 6 kids conceived while mom was breastfeeding.
first, I'd like to see Roe V. Wade overturned. This would bring power back to the states to determine the legality of abortion.
Yes.
Why is that wrong? That's when a human being begins. When we start to grow as an individual organism.
I don't get why there's any dispute about this, especially coming from the science community. Life begins at conception. This is a truism!
So it is a state's rights issue as long as it is legal, but you support it as a national issue as long as it is illegal? Can you not see how illogical that is? Seriously, man. Think things through for yourself instead of regurgitating a mish-mash of tired talking points that actually contradict themselves.first, I'd like to see Roe V. Wade overturned. This would bring power back to the states to determine the legality of abortion. Second, with good time, I would like to see an amendment to the constitution protecting the rights of the unborn. It took federal action for the civil rights movement. It will take federal action to ensure the unborn get their chance at life in all 50 states.
No. That is when you started. Purely subjective. I didn't start until about 1975 or so. That is when my first clear memory is. Everything prior to that is not me. Or I could take it back even farther. I started with the first bit of self-replicating protein. Everything since then has led to me (and you). Where you draw the line is a purely subjective stance.I don't know. I'll be honest.
I believe life begins at conception, all other measures are subjective.
Do other means of birth control result in abortion? I just don't know. If yes, then they too are wrong. They too are killing a human being.
I seriously don't get how any human being cannot believe they began at conception. That's when you became you. That's when you started. And you grew from there.
No, it is merely an emotional judgment without any basis whatsoever.
It is no coincidence that two regimes which vigorously enforced legal prohibition of abortion were Nazi Germany and Romania under the Ceaucesceau Regime. In contrast those countries with official pro-choice policies include the most progressive Western democracies.
As one of the "everyone else," I fail to see what is "horrid" about this other poster or her posts.<staff edit>
Really? How?Hogwash!
Modern medical science confirms that life begins at conception.
Nowhere in this thread has anyone advocated the killing of babies. To claim otherwise is emotionalism at its finest and, frankly, belies the very statement you are trying to make.Women who believe they have a right to kill their babies are the ones making emotional judgements, and very unsound ones at that.
Not entirely true. Life doesn't come from non-life, and the two sex cells that join together at conception are very much alive. Human life could very well be said to be a non-broken chain of life back to the very first humans (and beyond).Modern medical science confirms that life begins at conception.
But you're more than willing to deny a human right to pregnant woman on the basis of your theory? Though you also have no evidence to support it.You think? Do you really risk the lives of the unborn on what you think? You have no evidence, nothing. Scripture points to the soul being before the foundation of the world. Even so, at what point that babe gains the soul is unknown. Don't you think it is worth erring on the side of caution? Would you destroy a soul only on the basis of a personal theory?
what did she say thats horrid?
Speak for yourself on that one, bud. She sounds quite reasonable to me.
My bad, apparently. Likening pro-lifers to Nazis is a-okay, I guess.As one of the "everyone else," I fail to see what is "horrid" about this other poster or her posts.
No, but claiming that everyone shares your negative opinion of someone is also not okay. What she said was partially true, but not entirely true, and more information was added to show that while certain people under that horrible regime were not allowed to abort, others were forced to (neither of which is a Pro-Choice stance). But all you did was insult her, instead of attacking the post.My bad, apparently. Likening pro-lifers to Nazis is a-okay, I guess.
No, but claiming that everyone shares your negative opinion of someone is also not okay. What she said was partially true, but not entirely true, and more information was added to show that while certain people under that horrible regime were not allowed to abort, others were forced to (neither of which is a Pro-Choice stance). But all you did was insult her, instead of attacking the post.
No one in here (to the best of my knowledge), on either side of this issue, is a Nazi, or even likes Nazis.
But the rest of her post was making a point. And I think that is what everyone was rather upset about. That you called her entire post (and herself) horrible, instead of showing why you felt the post wasn't true.
I agree. And if someone hadn't already pointed out the flaw in her argument (that the Nazis were for mandatory abortion for the "lesser races" - and also were killing people!) I would have. Bringing up the stance of horrible people on this issue doesn't help with actually debating. But, he still should have addressed the post instead of just insulting her.Perhaps, however, it is very, very bad form to use Hitler and the Nazis as an argument. It is actually a fallacious argument and generally used when the person is losing the argument. It is a desperate and emotional ploy.
I agree that it doesn't mean the person is horrible, but the argument is.
I agree. And if someone hadn't already pointed out the flaw in her argument (that the Nazis were for mandatory abortion for the "lesser races" - and also were killing people!) I would have. Bringing up the stance of horrible people on this issue doesn't help with actually debating. But, he still should have addressed the post instead of just insulting her.
That I'm not a Nazi shouldn't need to be addressed, I'd assume its a given. And I consider likening pro-lifers to Nazis to be an insult.I agree. And if someone hadn't already pointed out the flaw in her argument (that the Nazis were for mandatory abortion for the "lesser races" - and also were killing people!) I would have. Bringing up the stance of horrible people on this issue doesn't help with actually debating. But, he still should have addressed the post instead of just insulting her.
I think everyone has. It's pretty hard not to. Humans are very emotional creatures, and it's almost impossible to be rational about issues which "tug at our heart strings". But being so emotionally involved often makes debate about this issue seem more like personal attacks, too. So I think it is worth the effort to keep emotions out of this debate.I agree. I think the issue is so personal and so emotional that it is difficult to separate the two. I know I have made the same mistake myself.
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