i dont believe

[geo101]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

 

[Dark_Lite]

Wrong forum.

 

[philadiddle]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

God will make a difference in your life. Try it.

 

[Sojourner1]

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[Van]

"I dont believe anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced"

There is evidence for the possibility of God, which some find sufficient in order to "believe" in God. Others, looking at the same evidence, choose not to believe in God, at least not the God of the Bible. In order to become a Christian, one must not only believe in Jesus as the Christ and God the son, but one must also believe in the One that sent Him, God the Father.

 

[ebia]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

Which god do you think doesn't exist?

 

[coolbrees]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

May I ask how you came to this conclusion?

 

[andreha]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

Geo

You are missing out - big time. I don't think you realise what a relationship with the Lord means. It's about giving and receiving. There are things that no human being will ever be able to give you - such as peace, joy and divine protection. I have many testimonies to share if you want...

 

[98cwitr]

geo, I'm going to take the bait here because for 20 years I did not believe either. I entertained the idea of God, but was to convinced everyone was under a mass delusion, spent years piecing together how so many people could come underneath a false pretense of some divine being. I told myself "Look how many people Hitler convinced of his views...and he sure wasn't right!" I thought religion was a form of social control and the finest way of explaining unexplainable things because of the lack of scientific and technological abilities of today's societies. Look how a single Book, threat of damnation and embedding not only fear but guilt into an entire society one group by another. Makes sense, right? Looking at all the horrible things in this world how would a "Loving" God let this happen. For a time I shook off the entire idea and believed that we are here and that's it.

With that said...do you believe thing happen for a reason? I always did strangely, and after hanging out with my atheist friends a lot I came to disbelieve more and more that things did happen for a reason...until about 2 years ago.

I've had a interesting life...with many, many things that happened, life changing things that I always chalked up to coincidence...because they were at the time.

I read the Bible, the entire Bible and the majority of the Left Behind series and still did not believe in God at all, just entertained the idea.

Sometime between 2 years ago and a few months ago, between living with believers and in the tranquility of my single bedroom apartment, away from most of the negative influences that I used to possess, I began to piece all the life changing events together, and realized that it was and is logically impossible and the probability is so low that all of them sequentially worked so well in my favor that "something" was in control. Fate did "exist." Still didn't believe in God though and debated the "unbeliever's" side feverishly with those close to me that did believe. I hate to admit it, but I did ridicule them for their "ignorance" and "blind faith in something that could not be proven."

Logic will then point you to ask: "Well if fate does exist, something has to control it." That something is God. The reason I am alive and not in jail is God. The reason I went back to school and got a great education was the result of God's love and work in others close to me. The reason I was baptized in my home church with my Christian family present was because of the Holy Spirit that entered into me when I touched my aunt's shoulder as I walked down the aisle when my preacher said "If there is anyone here that is moved to come and be saved, let that person do so now." I had been going to church before that, that church...this church, yet did not truly believe. Why then? Because I sat down...looked over all the coincidences of my life and realized that while each one of those things in itself was coincidence, when added up, the summation of my coincidences logically points to someone that I can't see or hear being in control. It's bigger than the concept of "fate," it's God's Will, the work of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ's gift to us working in harmony of your own free will to do whatever it is you do, good or bad. Because I needed it, I needed God because I knew he was real...and when you know something is real and true, you are drawn to it.

God saved my earthly life and well being through every step and stumble, he saved the unfaithful sinner which I was...and while I am still a sinner, I am washed in the Blood of Christ.

This is my story, the reason a converted Atheist/Agnostic believes...I hope and pray you can relate to some degree. If you would like to continue this debate...and the moderators are okay with it, I would love to do so. If not, PM me, we'll talk. \\

-Brett

 

[freeport]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

As you can not account for your own existence, how can you account for God's?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists or not? im not convinced

I will share with you some of the reasons why I am a believer. First I will share a list of stories where God has been actively involved in my life.

One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.

Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bizaar and "A-meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bizaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "A-meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the captors to release Douglas Wood because he had gone to a/or the Bazaar and bought food for homeless people and had provided them with "A-meal". I believe God saw this action too and blessed Douglas Wood with an escape from his captors.

One time I thought about suing some one but felt bad about it because I did not want to give a bad impression about what a Christian is like. So I prayed and asked God to show me clearly what to do. Latter that day I opened my bible at random, selecting a random verse and it opened to 1Co 6:7 "Nay, already it is altogether a defect in you, that ye have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather take wrong? why not rather be defrauded?" So I knew what God was thinking, no lawsuit. From this I don not believe God was saying all law suits are wrong just this one was.

At one point in my life I was praying for scientific cures for illnesses like cancer. Because I was on a science kick I thought would it not be fun to create a real life dinosaur. I wanted Jesus just for fun to show me how to create a Real Live Dinosaur, he can show us anything you know if he wants, but when I asked him how to start recreating a Dinosaur. Jesus spoke into my head the sentence "I bood", it entered my mind when I was awake, a term I had never heard before. I decided to look it up on the Internet and I found out the following: You see, the children of Semai are taught from an early age, the concept of "bood." If a parent asks a child to do something and the child replies "I bood," in other words, "I don't feel like doing that," the matter is closed. Bood means gently No.

One day I was witnessing to a Muslim and he asked me why we ate pork. I used the verse out of the bible which says "It is not what enters the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of the mouth". After some general discussion I finished for the night. I asked God to give me a verse from the bible to encourage me. I opened the bible at random and selected a random verse. It opened to the exact same verse that I had used with the Muslim. The one about food not defiling. So I knew that God was approving of what I had been talking about.
"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him "unclean.'"- Mat 15:11

 

[sk8Joyful]

anyone wish to discuss with me wether god exists
or not? im not convinced

Hello,
You posted that as your 1st conversation here in CF; but in the past 2 weeks never returned.

How sincere? or not (as you said: "I'm not convinced" ) - are you, in your > Exploring Christianity