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I think you were getting your butt kicked, thats why you sidestepped by proposing the discontinuity of self - comes in handy when losing a debate .. oops that was the old self that lost right?
...What??? There is no such thing as Dragar 19 male UK?Dragar said:Well, you were the one who first brought up the notion of 'self'...
...What??? There is no such thing as Dragar 19 male UK?
I guess that info/identity is a computer glitch. There is no identity if there is no self.
You diverted it when you claimed there is no self. I am proving that there is - & that there is continuity between selves, as a 13yo, 3billion y.o. & a Dragar 3 posts later.Dragar said:I take it you want to divert the discussion?
You diverted it when you claimed there is no self. I am proving that there is - & that there is continuity between selves, as a 13yo, 3billion y.o. & a Dragar 3 posts later.
Am I speaking to this same dragar? LoL! another day. Gotta go!!!! ciao!Dragar said:Kris, you need to always ask 'better to who?
My 'ideas of right and wrong' now are better than 13 year old Dragar's views - to this Dragar. I rather imagine 13 year old Dragar would have considered his views better than the views of this Dragar, now.
Man, Dragar, you are way too polite.
Dragar said:I find it highly amusing that, despite saying "I think you were getting your butt kicked, thats why you sidestepped by proposing the discontinuity of self - comes in handy when losing a debate .. oops that was the old self that lost right?" all attempts to drag things back to the original topic were diverted.
Dragar said:Probably.
I find it highly amusing that, despite saying "I think you were getting your butt kicked, thats why you sidestepped by proposing the discontinuity of self - comes in handy when losing a debate .. oops that was the old self that lost right?" all attempts to drag things back to the original topic were diverted.
I'm pretty liberal, but I don't know how you can define rape as anything other than "just plain wrong". And that ought to be the case for all people.Zoot said:Not in the sense most Christians mean, which is to say, I don't believe in objective right and objective wrong. I believe that people evaluate actions by various criteria, and that this evaluation is necessarily subjective.
In other words, I don't think that rape is just plain wrong. I think rape is wrong-to-people, and perhaps not all people. I don't think that murder is just plain wrong. I think murder is wrong-to-people, and perhaps not all people. (Both are wrong-to-me.)
an7222 said:If the universe has objective laws of physics, why there cannot be objective laws of morality?
But suppose you did nothing yet, but will choose between to different actions. You can study before acting what's the most moral thing to do.YWGWYS said:because laws of physics merely describe and explain what happens, and moral laws would postulate, what ought to be done.
you are trapped by a word with two meanings.
sorry, i can´t follow.an7222 said:But suppose you did nothing yet, but will choose between to different actions. You can study before acting what's the most moral thing to do.
Just because we don't know the moral law, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist objectively. The physical laws always existed, but we discovered them recently.YWGWYS said:sorry, i can´t follow.
if you drop a stone, it will most likely fall down. not because some book or theory says it (in fact it´s the other way round), but because it has happened ever and ever again. we call that gravity, we can explain it, everybody experiences it; there are no counter-examples. hence we agree to call that a law.
now, what was your point about the similarities of laws of physics and moral laws?
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