I Believe Out Loud
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brightmorningstar
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Oh how nice. is that supposed represent two lesbian women as married with 'their' child? is it LGBT propaganda?
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Shropshire Anglican
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It's portraying that the church needs to be more welcoming. Regardless of whether you agree with homosexuality or not, you should not shun someone who comes to church because they are different.
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EricOntario
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Very nice. I agree with Shropshire Anglican that whatever you think about homosexuality or same sex marriage, Jesus would want you to welcome everybody who wants to come on Sunday.
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brightmorningstar
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Of course people are welcome to church services, indeed I know Christians who have been to civil partnerships, but what if subsequently the sermon included teaching on faithful man/woman marriage, or even including the sin of homsoexual relationships? Are they and people who are committing adultery going to feel welcome then?
I suggest they are if their faith in the truth is greater than the faith in their current condition, because if they become disciples at some point as they grow they will have address the issue.
But I suspect this is propaganda to say that people in sinful activities are welcome to have the sinful activities accepted.
I suggest they are if their faith in the truth is greater than the faith in their current condition, because if they become disciples at some point as they grow they will have address the issue.
But I suspect this is propaganda to say that people in sinful activities are welcome to have the sinful activities accepted.
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brightmorningstar
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So why would anyone assume two women who arrived with a child were in a sinful homosexual relationship? Of course this clip is propaganda, who would need to make a point of not welcoming two women with a child because they thought they were two lesbians?
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EricOntario
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So because you disagree with the message it's "propaganda"? That word usually comes with the connotation that the information in question is misleading. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's misleading.
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brightmorningstar
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EricOntario,
The information in question is misleading because there would be no reason for anyone not to be welcomed, so it implies there is something special about two women and a child not to be welcomed. And of course this is to a service, a Christian fellowship assembly, but it doesn’t mean they are part of the fellowship.
The information in question is misleading because there would be no reason for anyone not to be welcomed, so it implies there is something special about two women and a child not to be welcomed. And of course this is to a service, a Christian fellowship assembly, but it doesn’t mean they are part of the fellowship.
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EricOntario
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I'm not sure if you're actually unaware of the social realities in that video or if you're being willfully blind, but the point of the video is that two married women who have a son come to church on Sunday and get a very cold welcome from the congregation. The priest welcomes them and sets an example that everyone should follow. It's not complicated. If you disagree, then you disagree, but please don't pretend that this is some kind of amazingly abstract principle that doesn't make sense. This isn't "propaganda", sadly, it's reality.
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EricOntario
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Obviously the video is about a lesbian couple, that's the whole point! Doesn't make it "propaganda".
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brightmorningstar
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There is no reason Lesbian couple would not be welcomed to a church service anymore than any other people, so whats the message EricOntario?
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brightmorningstar
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EricOntario,
Any good church is going to be delighted at any visitors, especially if these two women think they are lesbians, opportunity beckons to lead them to Christ.
Two women can’t be considered married by a church fellowship, you need to get out of the worldly secular thinking. Two women cant have a son, you need to get into reality. Make sure you describe the child as one of the women’s son, or adopted/fostered.
The priest should welcome all people, so what is the message?
I am not pretending anything, in God’s purposes two women cant have a son and two women cant be married, the pretending is yours.
Any good church is going to be delighted at any visitors, especially if these two women think they are lesbians, opportunity beckons to lead them to Christ.
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EricOntario
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I'm not going to change this thread into a debate over same-sex marriage. If you honestly believe that people being cold (to put if mildly) toward same sex couples isn't a problem in churches that don't allow same-sex marriage, then you need a serious dose of reality.
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brightmorningstar
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EricOntario,
The reality is two women cant have a son, and there is no such thing as same-sex marriage in God's purposes, so you are hardly in a position to talk about reality.
Its quite clear, a church should welcome all, there should be no reason any group of people arent, unless of course they have the agenda in which case the more serious problem is people coming to church not to seek God but to promote their agenda.
The reality is two women cant have a son, and there is no such thing as same-sex marriage in God's purposes, so you are hardly in a position to talk about reality.
Its quite clear, a church should welcome all, there should be no reason any group of people arent, unless of course they have the agenda in which case the more serious problem is people coming to church not to seek God but to promote their agenda.
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brightmorningstar
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Say a man and a child came into church, would the church welcome them? Yes of course. But say a man and a child came into church and the man was a known paedophile, would the church welcome them? No, for two reasons, because the secular law of the land as well as God's purposes are against such things and have child protection in place.
So tell me why two women in a same sex relationship with a child in tow should be welcomed into God's church when its against God's purposes?
The point is, they all would be welcomed but not in the capacity they are acting in.
The deception here is to make people think one must welcome people in their capacity rather than apart from their actions.
So tell me why two women in a same sex relationship with a child in tow should be welcomed into God's church when its against God's purposes?
The point is, they all would be welcomed but not in the capacity they are acting in.
The deception here is to make people think one must welcome people in their capacity rather than apart from their actions.
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