I am curious .........

[cygnusx1]

Just out of curiosity , how many posters at Semper Reformanda are from a Pentecostal (or Charismatic) background ?

I was first a Christian amongst other Christians in a Pentecostal Church , after a few years I began to ask questions .......... something just didn't seem right about the prophesies etc , during that time God providentialy gave a close friend of mine a book , 'The Sovereignty Of God' by A W Pink ....... the rest is history , as they say.

 

[ClementofRome]

...during that time God providentialy gave a close friend of mine a book , 'The Sovereignty Of God' by A W Pink ....... the rest is history , as they say.

As the Redneck Comedy Tour most clearly states:

"There's yer sign!"

 

[janny108]

LOLOL! Not getting off topic, but he sure had some good "here's your sign" liners.
But that is true though. I am Pentecostal, but am seriously considering PCA Presby.
Jan

 

[CCWoody]

LOLOL! Not getting off topic, but he sure had some good "here's your sign" liners.
But that is true though. I am Pentecostal, but am seriously considering PCA Presby.
Jan

Odd you should say that. My last church where I was actually a member (I have been looking ever since) was Pentecostal in nature. They was a bunch of tongue talking, prophesying, slain in the spirit, flag waving....

Anyway, tomorrow, I sit down with the teaching elder for the PCA plant in my area. I have had all I can take of luke warm, cotton candy, silliness.

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

I have had all I can take of luke warm, cotton candy, silliness.

That's really odd, I was raised in a family with extremely strong ancestral ties and commitments to the Southern Baptist denomination and if anything that was the place where absolute Spiritual luke warmness and cotton candy silliness prevailed most of all.

We were constantly being taught a confusing doctrine of you're a sinner saved by grace, who won't sin because you love Jesus, but you just can't help it when you do sin, but you're once saved always saved, and if you ever do sin, you probably weren't really saved in the first place anyway, But you will sin, and that doesn't matter anyway because you are a sinner saved by grace anyway, but you can't sin, but you are still a sinner saved by garce who will sin no matter how hard you try not to sin, but you can't sin, but you will sin, BUT if you really are saved, you won't sin....

We sat through the most boring senseless dribble being spewed out of the mouths of men who couln't get excited if you dropped a wild squirell in their laps!

There was absolutely no life changing effect in any service I ever attended, the memebrs came in one way and left exactly as they arrived 20 minutes earlier, I sat through some of the most worthless sermonettes while a member of that denomination, and I thank God every day for delivering out of that den of unbelief, BTW I am definitely Pentecostal and have no intent of ever going back again, I am totally free from the bondage of unbelief forever glory to God!

 

[CCWoody]

Just like a moth to a flame....

 

[Knight]

Not even close.....

Raised in the Church of the Bretheren but my family is decended from German Dunkards. You won't find a more conservative, and legalistic, bunch.

Now I'm basically Reformed Baptist. (I guess the apple does sometimes fall far from the tree....)

 

[Paleoconservatarian]

No, and it's Pentecostal/charismatic churches that have always confused me most. Most of the Christians on campus seem to be charismatics, though. It's a little too lively for me. Where a Pentecostal might jump around and scream until he faints when the preacher says something good (I've seen it happen and heard it described by Pentecostal friends), I'm more likely to mutter, "good point".

 

[JJB]

Sorry, was raised frozen.

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

Just like a moth to a flame....

Yeah well Jesus himself said he would Baptize men (women as well) with the Holy Ghost and Fire, so being in the fire is where Christians ought to want to be.

All True Christians will NOT be calvinists in glory, we will be nothing similar to any denomination, there will be no recognized denominational affiliation there only be worshipers of Jesus Christ.

Being calvinist, arminian, or any other type of religious memebr will in no way determine if a person spends eternity in heaven, only a sincere relationship with Jesus Christ as sovereign Lord and savior will guarantee anyone the right to spend eternity in heaven.

One Must truly be born again, according to the Biblical pattern to be a Christian, and have the absolute assurance of spending eternity in heaven, being Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Presbytarian Etc. means absolutely nothing.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Interesting stuff here. My bio says it all. I was born and baptised Roman Catholic. My parents left the Catholic Church just before was supposed to make my first communion, after that I grew up Baptist (mostly Southern Bapt). While in the Navy I visited a lot of Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches, but had lots of problems with some of that stuff.

My wifes bro-in-law was ordained in the PCA just before we were married and we debated Calvinism (I did not know what it was when I met him) after two years I creid uncle and have been a Calvinist since. It took a number of years more for me to grasp paedobaptism.

I have visited many different denominations and like to do so even today. I have not yet been to an Eastern Orthodox worship service, but hope o do so in the near future.

In Christ,
Kenith

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ Jesus, and we will answer everyone, individually, for our own works, whether good, or whether bad, and we will all be held accountable for the lives we have lived here on this earth.

Where we attended church will have no bearing on whether we spend eternity in heaven, or in hell, the denomination we were a part of will not matter, whether or not we were a Calvinist, or an Arminian, will mean absolutely nothing on that day, and at that hour, when we hear Jesus say, well done thou good and faithful servant, enter thou in to the joy of the Lord, or if we hear him say depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.

Those who spend eternity oin heaven will not be classified by God as Calvinists, or any other religious order, those who spend eternity in heaven will only be known forever as the worshippers of the King of kings, and Lord of lords, Jesus Christ.....

 

[CCWoody]

JamesMichael, PentecostalEvangelist, PropheticEvangelist, or whatever name you will go by on your next incarnation to this forum, what is your obsession with we Calvinists?

I know we are the most interesting people in the denominational block, but enough already.

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

JamesMichael, PentecostalEvangelist, PropheticEvangelist, or whatever name you will go by on your next incarnation to this forum, what is your obsession with we Calvinists?

I know we are the most interesting people in the denominational block, but enough already.

I have no obession with you or any other person, I have an obession with Jesus Christ and the absolute truth of the word of God.

I find it very funny you are all so intimitaed by my presence, are you that fearful of me?

I have done nothing to offend you personally, so why are you so bothered about my posts?

I am only concerned with truth, that is all, is that so wrong?

I do not hate any of you, and yet I feel your hatred very strongly, from everything I read in many of most of the posts of those who believe the 'Religious' theory you follow you think you alone are the one and only ones who have the exclusive right to the gift of salvation, and that is what is so deeply offensive to me, and millions of others who disagree with you.

Jesus did not die for a few, he died for all, the blood of Jesus Christ was shed for the redemption of ALL people, anywhere, and everywhere when Jesus died on the cross, and God raised him from the dead the gift of salvation was made readily available for all people, anywhere and everywhere.

There is no select exclusive few who have sole access to this gift, God is no respectors of persons, when the word of God says ALL it means ALL, when it says whosoever, it means anyone and everyone, anywhere and everywhere.

I have repeatedly asked for your Biblical proof that the verses I presented are not valid Biblical evidence that God would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth and the only answer ever given was, we do not have to give that evidence, and yet you demanded Biblical evidence from me, and then when I asked for some from you, I was banned.

Is that a sincere Christian example?

Sure it is, I of course am not a Christian in your eyes, because I do not agree with you, I am a heretic.....

I mess up a lot, believe me, I am the worse than any of you for that, and I apologize for anything, and everything I have ever doine in these forums to offedn you, or any other person, I am jst the same as the rest of you though I am simply trying my best to make it, and I am very thankful that I know in my heart God loves me.

We will never agree, so I am going to take part in other discussions in these forums if I am aloowed to, I am afraid however that someone in authority who hates me as much as you do will ban me again.

All I ever wanted was some valid Biblical evidence to support your denominational theories......

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

[QUOTE=PropheticEvangelist]
I do not hate any of you, and yet I feel your hatred very strongly, from everything I read in many of most of the posts of those who believe the 'Religious' theory you follow you think you alone are the one and only ones who have the exclusive right to the gift of salvation, and that is what is so deeply offensive to me, and millions of others who disagree with you.

Actually only one person here thinks that way and Some of us have been a serious disbute with him (Jonas) on that point.

Jesus did not die for a few, he died for all, the blood of Jesus Christ was shed for the redemption of ALL people, anywhere, and everywhere when Jesus died on the cross, and God raised him from the dead the gift of salvation was made readily available for all people, anywhere and everywhere.

There is no select exclusive few who have sole access to this gift, God is no respectors of persons, when the word of God says ALL it means ALL, when it says whosoever, it means anyone and everyone, anywhere and everywhere.

We have an understanding of Scripture that you disagree with. There are forum (general theology) for discussing those disagreements. If you are here you need to follow the rules (which you don't seem to like to do) This Forum is for Reformed and Calvinists Christians to talk. It is not for some someone to come in and call names etc...

I have repeatedly asked for your Biblical proof that the verses I presented are not valid Biblical evidence that God would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth and the only answer ever given was, we do not have to give that evidence, and yet you demanded Biblical evidence from me, and then when I asked for some from you, I was banned.

You were banned because you were ugly and rude and not because you asked questions.

Is that a sincere Christian example?

Follow the Rules and you will be fine. Following set rules that you agree to to be here is a Christian thing to do.

Sure it is, I of course am not a Christian in your eyes, because I do not agree with you, I am a heretic.....

I dont think any one here knows you personally and no one (except mabe the new guy Jonas) is able to see to see your heart. Come in and be nice and you will be welcome. Lots of folks that we disagree with come here, but they are generally more civil than you have been.

I mess up a lot, believe me, I am the worse than any of you for that, and I apologize for anything, and everything I have ever doine in these forums to offedn you, or any other person, I am jst the same as the rest of you though I am simply trying my best to make it, and I am very thankful that I know in my heart God loves me.

That is better. If you disagree or have questions ask them politely and you will be welcome.

We will never agree, so I am going to take part in other discussions in these forums if I am aloowed to, I am afraid however that someone in authority who hates me as much as you do will ban me again.

Not if you FOLLOW THE RULES. THey are not difficult.

All I ever wanted was some valid Biblical evidence to support your denominational theories......

You certainly have a poor way of going about this. But first a few things. We are not a denomination. We are from many separate denominations - Presbyterian, Baptist, Reformed, Anglican/Episcopalian etc.. We do hold to a understanding of God's sovereignty that you differ with, but we differ among our selves on many other items.

If you want to DISCUSS Calvinism I will be happy to do so (if you can be polite). Read this threads on On Romans 9:14-20, Christians and perseverance, Pa-pa Becnel, Salvation and Theology. I wrote them and will be happy to discuss them with you. You don't have to agree with any of it, but you can just come in HERE and blast away. FOLLOW the RULES.

Dominus vobiscum,
Kenith

 

[mannysee]

Hi Cygnusx1,

When i first became a christian i started going to what would be called a pentecostal church (potters house, aka The Door? in US), as i met a few people from there in town. Anyway i stayed there for quite a few years. After i left town, i began to question a few things in the meetings. I came across the 'monergism' site, and began reading a few articles on various bible subjects.
Now i attend a westminster presbyterian church (which seems somewhat different from ones i have looked up on the web in the US). Before i began attending this church, i visited a baptist church on and off for about a year or so, which had quite a large number attending. There were older people here, and many, many young teenagers/adults. General meetings here were big/loud on singing upbeat songs with band at front, followed by preaching, which was light, self-conscious (making the message more entertaining?) etc. Often heard throughout the speaking strange things (taken from Eastern thought?) such as, "you are a spiritual being having a human experience" ?!.
Somehow, this didn't sit right with me.
My old pentecostal church did not have what i see as extremes such as slaying in the spirit, but there was quite a bit of prayer for healing (i even saw a visible healing/physical change there once - what was it?), repetitive singing (looking back at this, was the idea of this to bring us into a euphoric state/God coming down??).
Anyway, it was time for me to sit down with my bible and delve into the reformed doctrines which didn't seem to be mentioned there.
So, there's not many younger people in my church (i think they're all over at the baptist one), but the pastor here loves the bible, and teaches things in depth through its passages, and he seems a very graceful man (and he's from the US!).

 

[CCWoody]

I have no obession with you or any other person, I have an obession with Jesus Christ and the absolute truth of the word of God.

I find it very funny you are all so intimitaed by my presence, are you that fearful of me?

There are certain people whom we are commanded to avoid. This has nothing to do with being fearful of you. It has to do with you simply making yourself a person with whom I wish to have no contact. And when you cuss me out in a private message like you did in your last incarnation, it doesn't make me want to be around you. It has nothing to do with fear. It is simply common Christian respect, of which you completely lack.

And because you don't know how to act, I wish to have nothing to do with you. Until you can learn some common Christian manners, grow up, and repent for your truly evil personal message to me, I will consider you to be the person whom you revealed yourself to be in mail.

I do not hate any of you, and yet I feel your hatred very strongly,

Yeah, right. So, does this mean that your profane personal message was a marriage invitation?

I have repeatedly asked for your Biblical proof

I suppose that when you add up the sum of your posts in your 3 incarnations so far this may be true in a way. Of course, it is hard to answer you anything with the attitude you have. I'm sorry that you were treated so badly growing up, but until you learn to actually grow up and treat people with respect, they will have nothing to do with you.

Good bye, troll.

 

[CCWoody]

there was quite a bit of prayer for healing (i even saw a visible healing/physical change there once - what was it?),

There was also a lot of prayer for healing in my church, too. This was not a problem. What was a problem and one of the many things which turned my stomach was that, after prayers were given for one man and a healing was claimed and not delivered by God, it was decided by some that the man was simply possessed and some of them decided to do something about it.

I guess that if God doesn't slink up and do what man commands then it must be because man is possessed. It couldn't be that God's answer was "No!"

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

Actually only one person here thinks that way and Some of us have been a serious disbute with him (Jonas) on that point.



We have an understanding of Scripture that you disagree with. There are forum (general theology) for discussing those disagreements. If you are here you need to follow the rules (which you don't seem to like to do) This Forum is for Reformed and Calvinists Christians to talk. It is not for some someone to come in and call names etc...



You were banned because you were ugly and rude and not because you asked questions.



Follow the Rules and you will be fine. Following set rules that you agree to to be here is a Christian thing to do.





I dont think any one here knows you personally and no one (except mabe the new guy Jonas) is able to see to see your heart. Come in and be nice and you will be welcome. Lots of folks that we disagree with come here, but they are generally more civil than you have been.




That is better. If you disagree or have questions ask them politely and you will be welcome.





Not if you FOLLOW THE RULES. THey are not difficult.




You certainly have a poor way of going about this. But first a few things. We are not a denomination. We are from many separate denominations - Presbyterian, Baptist, Reformed, Anglican/Episcopalian etc.. We do hold to a understanding of God's sovereignty that you differ with, but we differ among our selves on many other items.

If you want to DISCUSS Calvinism I will be happy to do so (if you can be polite). Read this threads on On Romans 9:14-20, Christians and perseverance, Pa-pa Becnel, Salvation and Theology. I wrote them and will be happy to discuss them with you. You don't have to agree with any of it, but you can just come in HERE and blast away. FOLLOW the RULES.

Dominus vobiscum,
Kenith

All I have ever done is ask you people to back up your religious theories with credible Biblical evidence, none of you have ever done that.....

 

[PropheticEvangelist]

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There are certain people whom we are commanded to avoid. This has nothing to do with being fearful of you. It has to do with you simply making yourself a person with whom I wish to have no contact. And when you cuss me out in a private message like you did in your last incarnation, it doesn't make me want to be around you. It has nothing to do with fear. It is simply common Christian respect, of which you completely lack.

And because you don't know how to act, I wish to have nothing to do with you. Until you can learn some common Christian manners, grow up, and repent for your truly evil personal message to me, I will consider you to be the person whom you revealed yourself to be in mail.






Yeah, right. So, does this mean that your profane personal message was a marriage invitation?




I suppose that when you add up the sum of your posts in your 3 incarnations so far this may be true in a way. Of course, it is hard to answer you anything with the attitude you have. I'm sorry that you were treated so badly growing up, but until you learn to actually grow up and treat people with respect, they will have nothing to do with you.

Good bye, troll.

I forgive you......