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I am sure that you would receive the best care from the catholic Hospital, just dont expect contraceptives.

Well, if she needs contraceptives, and the catholic hospital won't give them to her, that's not the "best care" at all.
 
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So when does one persons rights take the place of another persons rights? And yes freedom of religion is also a right.

One's right to access adequate health care trumps the hospitals right to force their morality on their patients when the patients has nowhere else to go.

So if we can force medical practitioners to give meds, can we also in good faith force meds down patients throats if they do not want it?

No. Apples and oranges. Forcing someone to give something they view is immoral is vastly different than forcing someone to take something they feel is dangerous or immoral.

I do not see a moral problem with that, the ambos would just have to be aware.

If the JW hospital is the only one in close vicinity, it is a problem.

So you are telling me in Boston USA there was only one hospital withing three days travel (MAP is effective for 72 hours)?

Maybe, but what does it matter. The girl in our hypothetical did not have that choice. If she had, they wouldn't have had much of a show, not would they.

Again dont you think that just not accepting rape victims would be a better option than forcing the church to shut down all there hospitals? I would assume there are alot more cases of Apendicitis than there are of rape.

I suppose that would work. It just says a lot about your supposed "morality" if you would decline to care for an emergency rape patient because of the type of medicine she may request.

But in the instance where there are no other close hospitals, they should be forced to stock it, they should be forced to give it in an emergency situation.

Otherwise the hospitals need to be shut down, taken by the government, and given new leadership that actually cares more about it's patients than forcing it's morality on the patients.

Yet it was the girls choice to have the abortion and if she asked the fathers they would have advised against it.

They created the demand for an abortion. You can't step around that fact. If they had allowed her BC, there would have been no abortion.

The father is a rapist. He deserves nothing, least of all a child.

It is the same at the very least as BC......that the church is also against.

It is BC. But it isn't abortion, and isn't tantamount to abortion.

Why would the church want to rape her in the first place? No one is forcing her to do anything, the church merely wont partake in what it considers immoral.....she still made the choice, not the church, and it is the rapists fault that she needed the MAP or Abortion, so I dont see how you can blame the Church.

Nonsence I know, She has every right to choose.....and some choices you have to go elsewhere to fulfill.

Fopr example you are in the barber, and you choose to go out and get some KFC, do you get it from the barber or do you go to the nearest outlet?

I was referring to the hypothetical world in which abortion is illegal, and the church is still allowed to deny the girl BC. In which, everything I said in the last post stands. In such a world, she is being raped of her choice by uncaring Christians.
 
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There is an episode of Boston Legal that has a girl that gets raped, and gets pregnant.

She then sues the Catholic Hospital that doesnt issue birth control (in this case the morning after pill).

Knowing that Catholics do not give that kind of treatment...do you think they should have sued the hospital, or could they simply have gone elsewhere or gone and got the pill from another pharmacy?

I don't think women in crisis should have to leave the hospital providing them rape crisis medical care to finish their treatment elsewhere.

When it comes to medications one needs to take IMMEDIATELY there should be no need to go wandering from pharmacy to pharmacy or ER to ER to get care.

One does not always have a say in where they are taken for medical treatment. When I was assaulted I was not fully conscious when rescued and taken to the nearest ER (which happened to be a Catholic hospital) I then called my physician to call in a prescription for me. I was fortunate to have a crisis counselor to help me through the process. The hours after a traumatic assault or injury or not always ones when we think clearly about what is being provided to us in terms of medical care. Without an advocate I'm not sure I would have been aware that the variety of medications provided did not include pregnancy prevention care.

In some communities the majority of health care services are provided by Catholic organizations. It really isn't reasonable that women who are treated at those facilities or left with incomplete treatment.
 
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Wow this took off.

There are some here that think that a Catholic Hospital should go against its Morals. I say no, there are other options, like Catholic Hospitals not accepting potential or suspected Rape Cases, that would ensure that very one is happy.

Those Catholic hospitals should then be willing not to enter into contracts to provide emergency services or public health care to all citizens, and call themselves Hospitals for Catholics. Facilities that receive public funds should not refuse to prescribe legally available medications that are appropriate for the patient.
 
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How is it an emergency? The pregnancy is not going to harm her, she simply doesn't want it, and she still has plenty of oppurtunity to get rid of it later.

It's an emergency because the medications provided within hours after rape can PREVENT pregnancy. 2 months after I was raped and on my way toward emotional and physical recovery from the assault finding myself pregnant by the rapist and having to decide between abortion and carrying to term a pregnancy caused by a rapist would have been far more detrimental
to my health and well being than just getting the darn pills to begin with, and on top of that the anti choice crowd still wouldn't have gotten there way, there's no way I would have continued a pregnancy that was a result of rape.

You know, they should balance that episode out with one where a Catholic woman is raped and Secular Humanist General gives her the morning-after pill.

Providing medications without informing the patient exactly what they are would be just as lacking in ethics as the example provided.
 
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I am sure that you would receive the best care from the catholic Hospital, just dont expect contraceptives.

Thank that is hardly the best care for me since I need to take my Ortho Tri Cyclen Lo daily. Without it my monthly cycle is erratic and painful, and I have days where I can't go more than 90 minutes without going to the bathroom to see to my needs.

All this pain and inconvenience is eliminated with one little pill and I won't let anyone's religion dictate I can't have it.
 
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And since the hospitals do take the compensation money from the government for the ERs, then we have a foot in the door to force them to provide emergency contraceptives in emergency situations.

Best of luck with that legislation with this Supreme Court....and they're going to be around for a while.;)
 
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