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Hypothetical for Scientists

thaumaturgy

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This example has no bearing on the discussion.

The appropriate version is:

If you saw 8 Fords all sitting in among 10 other makes of cars from different countries, would you assume that the Fords were made by Zeus and Vulcan working together at Vulcan's forge and are therefore indestructible flying vehicles?

No, you'd say, well the Fords look the other cars in many many ways, therefore they are probably all human-made cars and all have various commonalities, including problems with the engine or occasional quality control issues, but will all do just what regular human-made cars will do, ie get in them, start the motor and drive on the ground to your destination.

You will have to drive them on the ground since none of them fly. You will have to pay attention while you drive because they are not indestructible, and you will have occasional quality issues because none of them were made by gods.

THAT'S the appropriate way to structure that analogy.
 
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I read the first five lines, then quit.
 
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Ah yes, the anti-Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of human construction. Why do you so strongly deny His Noodliness? Everyone knows that these cars were created ex nihilo by the FSM.
 
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I read the first five lines, then quit.

Fine. Really. I wish there was some way to express the disdain I have for this type of response. "truly offensive" springs to mind, but somehow misses my disgust.

If one can't be bothered to think about one's own faith more than merely superficially then I suppose one deserves the faith one ends up with.

I have said before and I'll say it again:

As Celsus supposedly said about the early Christians:


But Luther further gilds the lilly with:

 
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As reason is the Devil's greatest harlot, I would be under the influence of this harlot if I reasoned that Luther's words are truth.
 
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"I'm not talking about tares growing within the pages of the Bible, itself?!" Well, what are these "other versions" if not the Bible?

You've just ignored the point entirely - the version of the Bible that you, apparently, treat as holier-than-holy, is not the original words that God spoke. Therefore, when you read part of it, you don't know whether you're reading God's word or man's word.

You've not made any attempt to solve this problem.
 
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(I know --- Fords have parts on them made from other countries, etc. You guys will pick this apart, then whine because I'm not making sense, or replying to your posts.)

Well, you're not. You're telling us you can tell Fords from foreign cars, which is easy, given that they tend to say "Ford" on the back in a little oval badge.

Last time I checked the Bible (not so long ago) different bits didn't have "wheat" or "tare" or "God's word" or "Man's word" in any way, certainly not in a badge.
If you can tell the difference, tell us how, don't just assert that you can.
 
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Hmmmm, yeah I'd be willing to admit that my evidence is inconclusive.... but being inconclusive is not the same as leaning in the other direction.... suppose there's another "book" that says the Universe is 300 years old, and yet another says 500, and still another says 400 trillion years old (and suggests that the dalite aged super slow for most of that time and just appears a lot younger than it is).... all of those explanations get exactly equal plausibility....

But I'd still be justified in saying that whatever the age that the dalite appears to be, that's when God made it!!

//// The PanDeism Fish Swims Again!!
 
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So basically, you can spot which cars are which. Wonderful. Now, which one of these was made to run perfectly? How do you tell which car is better than the others and is the car for you?
 
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But I'd still be justified in saying that whatever the age that the dalite appears to be, that's when God made it!!

Then hows come I'm not justified when I say that whatever the age that the earth was at Creation, that's when God made it? (Which is what I've been asserting all along.)
 
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Then hows come I'm not justified when I say that whatever the age that the earth was at Creation, that's when God made it? (Which is what I've been asserting all along.)
But you don't. What you have been asserting all along is that Earth is both 6100 and 4500000000 years old, which is as impossible as it is unsupported.
 
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But you don't. What you have been asserting all along is that Earth is both 6100 and 4500000000 years old, which is as impossible as it is unsupported.

Then let me say it again, for about the umpteenth time:

I never dispute the age of the earth with someone I'm talking to; whether he thinks the earth is 6100 years old, or whether he thinks the earth is 6100[sup]6100[/sup] years old, I will not dispute it --- since the point is moot with me.

How you got that mixed up with me saying the earth is both 6100 and 4500000000 years old is beyond me.

(Actually I do understand --- your icon says it all.)
 
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