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Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

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Ken Behrens

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As a matter of fact, the Greek tragedy of Oedipus states that the murders involved were forced by fate. Perfectly acceptable then, not today. So the laws of nature were assumed different then.
 
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How can you even use photographs? By the time the light reaches the camera the event has already taken place in the past. It is no different than using starlight.
Way different. We can check the air to see it is not bent. We cannot check space the same way.
 
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No, not normally. My body throws off diseases anyway.

I was just talking with someone who posted evidence of speciation. If the two are the same, why is there a separate term for macro?

I was talking about an animal that cannot in his lifetime walk a mile. The point is that I can think about it because it is relevant to me, but it is not relevant to the animal in question.
 
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Suppose we make the same thought experiment, but this time, it is not me who determined how long the beam shined or the gap was. It was some angel who I cannot ask. The problem with the scientists is they assume they know the length of the beam. There is no reason to assume that those things were not faster as well, and the variations cancel each other out.
 
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The flood doesn't make them, it just helps them grow faster, and gives them a nice place to do it.

Based on what evidence?

My studies took more than 20 years. They will not fit here.

You don't have the evidence. That much is clear.
 
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Based on what evidence?



You don't have the evidence. That much is clear.
I am giving another possible explanation to show that this theory for the cliffs is not the only possible one.
 
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No, not normally. My body throws off diseases anyway.

Do you accept that diseases can be caused by germs, even though it is "just a theory"?

Do you accept that atoms exist, even though it is "just a theory"?

I was just talking with someone who posted evidence of speciation. If the two are the same, why is there a separate term for macro?

To use an analogy, it is like two people walking together, step by step. Each step is microevolution, and the two people are evolving together. This is what a species is, a population evolving in lock step with each other.

Now imagine that they hit a fork in the road. One person walks one way while the other person walks down the other fork. They keep repeating steps as before, but now they are going in different directions. Over time, they will get farther and farther apart. This is speciation. They are no longer evolving in lock step with each other. Instead, each population is starting to accumulate different microevolutionary changes.

Both processes are the accumulation of microevolution.

I was talking about an animal that cannot in his lifetime walk a mile. The point is that I can think about it because it is relevant to me, but it is not relevant to the animal in question.

It is just an analogy.
 
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I knew it. You guys are not even reading what I write.

You are using photographs which record light from the past. You think that can be used as evidence.

You think floods can lay down sediments. That requires the assumption that sediments were denser than water in the past. It requires the assumption that the laws in the past were the same as in the present.

I bet you even assume people used to breath in oxygen, and metabolize hydrocarbons. Am I right?
 
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I am giving another possible explanation to show that this theory for the cliffs is not the only possible one.
I am giving another possible explanation to show that this theory for the cliffs is not the only possible one.
You make a lot of claims. You dont present any evidence.
 
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Theory: pi=3 Theory 1 million and 1million adds to 2 million. Theory: addition if performed correctly always leads to the correct answer. The first theory is false (but last I heard was still the law in Indiana). The second is true. The third has been proven unprovable, and this fact of unprovability is extremely important in some levels of computer research.

I believe the ones I can prove. I distrust any others.

Two people are not one, as are the two species that started out in one body.

I agree, not all analogies are good, just like theories.
 
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Photoshop has taught me not to trust photographs. Courts don't either, without eyewitness testimony. I know those other things are true now. It is before there were people to check on them and write about them I am not so sure.
 
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Your explanation needs to have supporting evidence in order to be a valid explanation.
Maybe if I say it, someone will go and look to prove there is none. That's part of science, questioning theories.
 
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Theory: pi=3 Theory 1 million and 1million adds to 2 million.

Those aren't theories. That's math.

I believe the ones I can prove.

That's clearly false. You believe in things that are made up from whole cloth and have no evidence to back them.

Two people are not one, as are the two species that started out in one body.

Please stop being dishonest.
 
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Photoshop has taught me not to trust photographs. Courts don't either, without eyewitness testimony.

Your own criteria would disallow eye witnesses. By the time light leaves one object and strikes the retina of the witness, the event is actually in the past.

You refuse to accept starlight for the very same reason.

I know those other things are true now.

You accept evidence from the past all of the time. The only reason you reject evidence is because it contradicts your religious beliefs.
 
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