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The observations on the age of the earth fit these stories just as well. I also mentioned the technology a few minutes ago in another post. Like the antikythera device, the archaeological discovery had to wait for us to get smart enough to see what it was.Do these stories have evidence to support them?
Didn't he say 10000 years old? That's only a factor of 1.6 times the YEC date. Can you check what you know about these limits and see if 1.6 is unreasonable? Or maybe his date is wrong?-_- there are biological limits as to how quickly micro-organisms (or any organism, really) can grow and reproduce, even with the most ideal conditions, and it wouldn't be anywhere near fast enough to make that much chalk in the short time frame demanded by a young Earth.
Also, the conditions you describe sound more like it would kill these creatures than be beneficial to them.
You hear testimony of what Jesus has did in someone's life .
You either discount it , you ponder it or see some thing different with change
What matters is you are presented with a free will choice
I've seen and experienced 1rst hand supernatural events
Testimonies are easy to find
, they are also easy to ignore, disbelieve and blow off ..
Why would any Christian care what you believe , what is in it for them ?
Scaring me into believing things at face value, is not going to work either.The only reason a true Christian cares is that once we are passed from dark to the light and then realize the consequences we were saved from we simply want you to have the same chance to come to know
Remember that I sat in the seat of mockers too just like every Christian ,and other person for that matter, has done to some degree or other before their salvation since Jesus began his ministry
Americans are a very small percent of the world's population. Much of the third world has yet to embrace logic, let alone science.
And your statistic is qualified by the fact that "evolution" is of two types, macro and micro.
Most Christians accept micro but many do not accept macro.
1. They use procedures developed today to look at evidence seen today, and draw conclusions about the past from that.Scientists don't do that. They look at the evidence we have today and look at how things would be different if (for example) the speed of light were different in the past. Then they design tests to look for evidence of a difference.
3122 BC is a little over 5100 years ago, exactly what I said. The Flood is dated to 4000 years ago, approximately 2000 BC. Yet the Egyptian culture has no gap indicating they were wiped out by the Flood 1100 years after their recorded history began.
Oh my, that's scary. Do you honestly believe that the earth's population has been growing at the same rate as it today for the past 4000 years?
Here's some info for you.
The current population growth percent is about 1.11%
If you start with a population of 8 in 2000BC (Noah, his wife, their sons and their wives) and have a population growth rate of 1.11%, in 6000 years (approximately the time Moses lives) you have a population of about 5,700 people. Nowhere near enough people.
Not to mention that by 2017 (approximately 4,000 years post Flood) you have a worldwide population of more than 8,000,000,000,000,000,000 people. The earth has a total square footage of land area of 5,490,000,000,000,000 sq ft. IOW, if the population had been growing at the same rate it is today for 4,000 years, there would be 1,457 people per square foot of land area on earth.
Where are they?
Sigh. It's a relatively simple matter to click on the "up arrow" next to each quoted post.
Here's a referesher.
Ken Behrens: I sure don't trust anything I see in real life.
Queller: Don't you read the Bible in real life?
Ken Behrenns: I do not need it in heaven.
Queller: We're not talking about heaven. We're talking about right here on Earth, in the present time. You know, real life.
Your response?
Which ones have spent a career developing and refining the evidence and which ones haven't?
I don't know about you, but if I'm going to build a home, I'm going to go with the plan developed by architects and engineers who have spent their lives learning to build homes. I'm not going to go with Mike the radiologist's ideas on how to build a home.
What makes you think that scientists believe that an unknown entity is influencing their results?
The vast majority of them do, in fact, agree on the basics.
They thing is, scientist don't trust that.
Why shouldn't we trust scientists when it comes to their area of expertise?
Do you not trust the doctor that diagnoses cancer after looking at the biopsy results?
The current knowledge about climate change is about global warming. I just posted last night in another thread details of statistical anomalies that prove the data is being manipulated. In any event, it does not matter if you can prove that something happened a million years ago (like extinction of the dinosaurs), that this is anything like what is anything like what is happening now.The current knowledge about climate change.
You've been given many more examples from the fields of medicine, geology and the like and you have dismissed them without explaining why they aren't good examples.
You claim to trust experts about science, and you will not trust me about my fields of expertise. It took less than a minute to google these two pictures. The guy had to move the boat more than 5 feet, obviously, but there was some point in the journey, when the torch appeared just to the left of the spire, and then five feet later was on the right. Find me two stars that cross in this manner, if you wish to prove me (and Charles Fort) incorrect.I'm sorry, this is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read. The idea that all the stars are the same distance away from us is ridiculous in the extreme.
To answer your scenario though, the closest star to us is Alpha Centauri. It's about 4.4 light years away. HIP 72131 is a star that is in close visual proximity to Alpha Centauri (close as in a few micrometers) and is about 158 ly away. For Alpha Centauri to appear to cross in front of HIP 72131 the earth would have to have an orbit in at least in the trillions of miles, if not more.
That's like standing in New Jersey and expectin g the tip of the torch on the Statue of Liberty to cross in front of the Empire State Building by moving five feet to your left.
2. No, the flood is 3122BC. There is in fact a gap of history there, and flood waters in the layered archaeological evidence that produces the history of handwriting from Ur. That gap is mentioned in their history books several times. Egyptian culture starts after that date. There was no second massive flood in 2000BC.
3. Of course not. When no one was in the way, it was faster. Most humans couples can easily produce 8 kids. That's 4 to1 every 20 years. Doubling every 10 years, gives 2 makes 1000 in 100 years, a million in 200 years, Less when they start killing each other.
Show me what you read so I can see it. I have read the original reports, and the in situ analysis of that enzyme seems to contradict what you have quoted.I asked you who is paying scientists to say that there is no real benefit to non-homogenized milk.
It can't be the milk companies. After all, they would just sell non-homogenized milk at the same price and increase their profits since they aren't having to pay to have the milk homogenized. So who is paying scientists to say that there is no real benefit to non-homogenized milk?
Whoopee. Carrying a palm-sized computer and communications device around in your pocket involved a retraining of the population. It didn't take very long.
Not to mention that we already shake up other liquids before drinking them (orange juice comes to mind).
The arguments I read in favor of non-homogenized milk (that offered absolutely nothing in the way of evidence for their claims) is that milk has an enzyme that when digested through intake of homogenized milk gets deposited in your arteries and when digested through intake of non-homogenized milk does not. Not the other way around.
Yes they did. I know because I was a member of the appropriate organizations for many years, and did research of my own, and taught in the field, as well as did counseling involving latent abilities.And did they find any evidence?
Here's a hint, I already know the answer.
Schrodinger's decay? Or should that be Heisenberg's decay?
I posted a responsible scientific review article four times yesterday. It completely disagrees with you. The results are so impressive that money is being funneled for more research and doctors are taking serious note.Yes, I have heard of those experiments. I have also not heard of a single one that got positive empirical results.
Pain is subjective. Ever heard of the placebo effect?
Yes. And? Do you think that presents some kind of problem?
I've never found any reference to that other than creationists websites. I'm more than a touch skeptical.
And here's one of the premier creationist websites on the matter
Woolly mammoths snap frozen?
The medical community is taking serious notice of it anyway.I read through it. Not a single bit of evidence that prayer can heal.
Yes, yes, no, no. I know a few of each, and how they act.I guess that makes lawyers elitist? Doctors? Architects? Engineers?
As I said earlier, I wouldn't listed to Mike the radiologist's opinion on how to build a home nor would I listen to Pat the architect's opinion on how my x-ray shows cancer.
I agree. You and I know this is so, but I hear many others saying something different.As I believe you have been told before, evolution is both a fact and a theory.
That animals change (evolve) over time is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution is the best evidenced, most well researched, explanation of why animals change over time.
Yes, and when DNA evidence became available, a lot of them were set free with apologies and money to pay for what they had to go through. I taught classes in a prison for just over a year. It seemed pretty obvious to me that a lot of men were there just because they did not have the communication skills to convince the judge they were not guilty.By that logic, if there are no witnesses, we can't be sure someone is guilty of murder except by inference. And yet murderers are convicted without eyewitnesses every single day.
BTW;
Inference; : something that is inferred; especially : a conclusion or opinion that is formed because of known facts or evidence
And I disagree with almost every statement made by creationists as well. But no one has yet attacked me on those, so I have not had to answer them. I did my own study on the flood, and consider it extremely probable. Since it happened after my 6000 year cutoff, my arguments for it are different from those we have been discussing. I am absolutely certain the earth is at least 5800 years old. It's beyond that I do not know.That's interesting because it appears that you reject any evidence that disagrees with a young earth and global flood.
You know a a lot of them, you just don't accept them.
You got that date by using techniques developed int he world of today. It's the techniques I don't trust.The original evidence we have of say, a stegosaurus comes from 80 million years ago. So...
What you and I know is not what other people are saying.I'ld say it makes science a profession just like any other profession....
I have trouble seeing what it is exactly that you are complaining about...
That's right. I know Jesus rose from the dead. Since you self-identify as an atheist, I assume you do not know this.You don't need to be present in past events to know that those past events occured.
That should be rather obvious.
But we don't use the theory of how old the earth and sky are for anything, except to tell how old the earth and sky are.Science is very results -based.
We know that relativity theory is pretty accurate, because GPS correctly locates our receivers anywhere on the planet.
We know that atomic theory is pretty accurate, because nuclear power stations deliver electricity and nukes explode.
If a scientific idea is wrong, it will not work.
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