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Okay, so suffice it to say: even though you deserve hell, there is a reasonable chance you will never see it. Is that a fair interpretation of what you've described?
I've noticed that razer's MO is to become metaphysical when he runs out of argument. It will eventually get to a point where you have to be a Jedi Master like him to understand what he trying to convey, and only then will you truly understand that you don't understand. Understand?
Your sloppiness is unbecoming and inaccurate. No-one, anywhere to my knowledge will accuse anyone of bigotry for speaking out against murder. I would myself argue that greed and selfishness are in general unhelpful and in contrast to virtue but those are traits and not actions. You are lumping in direct actions with traits and then you go on eventually to list specific actions (you exclusively refer to the sex industry, some of which non-Christians do condemn to varying degrees.And yet its the godless who accuse Christians for being intolerant bigots when they speak out against murder, against greed, against gluttony, against selfishness, against the pornography industry, against strip clubs, prostitution, sex trafficking, and against numerous other sordid vices that men are loathe to relinquish.
HA! AHAHAHAHAHA!Maybe God really is speaking through Christians and trying to encourage the rapists and hustlers and pimps and thieves and robbers and murderers and greedy godless to amend their ways.
Actually, forget about man-made evil. I can see your objections there.On one hand, the godless want the godly to "stay out of their business" and to "mind their own business", and to "stop preaching" and yet now you want God to magically jump smack in the middle of virtually everyone's business when they are about to do something evil.
Yeah, raze often accused me of misrepresenting people. He would butt into a discussion I'd be having with another (and reply as if I was addressing him), piously insist I was making stuff up. I'd then show him direct sourced quotes about what others have said and to take it with them.I've noticed that razer's MO is to become metaphysical when he runs out of argument. It will eventually get to a point where you have to be a Jedi Master like him to understand what he trying to convey, and only then will you truly understand that you don't understand. Understand?
Yeah, raze often accused me of misrepresenting people. He would butt into a discussion I'd be having with another (and reply as if I was addressing him), piously insist I was making stuff up. I'd then show him direct sourced quotes about what others have said and to take it with them.
He'd still deny it.
BingoWhy is that evil? Should God surround every car on the highway with an invisible forcefield or foam bumper and inject every driver with a shot of adrenaline so they dont fall asleep at the wheel? Or maybe He should instantaneously detoxify every drunk that gets behind the wheel?
Again, "mind your own business" is not a maxim people apply to the prevention of murder and rape.People cry and whine for having to have their cars inspected for road worthiness and protest helmet laws for motorcyclist my friend. I assure you, people would not go for any of the above, you know, people wanting to be autonomous and all.
Bingo
Again, "mind your own business" is not a maxim people apply to the prevention of murder and rape.
And you are living in denial if you think your stereotyping and broad-brushing is justifying your point.Christians have been told to mind their business by many wicked purveyors of all sorts of filth which are directly detrimental to the welfare of humans. Everytime, they are met with "mind your own business" and "stop preaching at us" and "you should be more tolerant." etc etc.
Christians protest the murder of unborn children and are told to "mind their own business".
Christians protest sex trafficking and are told to "mind their own business" by those who profit from it.
Christians protest the pornography industry and are told to "mind their own business".
Christians protest against "alternate sexualities" and are told to "mind their own business".
You are living in denial if you think people want cosmic censorship to curtail their "rights to do what they want".
I don't believe God exists. I'm not mad at him, anymore than I'm mad at Lord Voldemort for taking over the Ministry of Magic.You're mad at God for not being and thinking like you do.
So I, WC, would prevent the rape of children. God can, but won't, prevent the rape of children. And I'm the bad guy?I thank God He is nothing like you.
Why is that evil? Should God surround every car on the highway with an invisible forcefield or foam bumper and inject every driver with a shot of adrenaline so they dont fall asleep at the wheel? Or maybe He should instantaneously detoxify every drunk that gets behind the wheel?
Or maybe He should just make every car in the world disappear so there can be no automobile accidents?
Christians have been told to mind their business by many wicked purveyors of all sorts of filth which are directly detrimental to the welfare of humans. Everytime, they are met with "mind your own business" and "stop preaching at us" and "you should be more tolerant." etc etc.
That is because what you see as filth are actually harmless actions between consenting adults. No-one is suggesting that God should intervene against them but telling Christians to not. You are as usual arguing a strawman.Christians have been told to mind their business by many wicked purveyors of all sorts of filth which are directly detrimental to the welfare of humans.
I am open to an argument that all abortion is always the murder of unborn children but also note that no decent argument has been advanced for that proposition.Everytime, they are met with "mind your own business" and "stop preaching at us" and "you should be more tolerant." etc etc.
Christians protest the murder of unborn children and are told to "mind their own business".
Do they?Christians protest sex trafficking and are told to "mind their own business" by those who profit from it.
Yes.Christians protest the pornography industry and are told to "mind their own business".
Yes.Christians protest against "alternate sexualities" and are told to "mind their own business".
Au contrare, this is exactly what you in the end of it all actually wants.You are living in denial if you think people want cosmic censorship to curtail their "rights to do what they want".
I'm not mad at God full stop. I don't believe in God. I suspect the same of Wiccan Child.You're mad at God for not being and thinking like you do.
Too bad, because if I was (or Wiccan was) a God with the powers of God there would be a lot less suffering.I thank God He is nothing like you.
Should God surround every car on the highway with an invisible forcefield
I assure you, people would not go for any of the above, you know, people wanting to be autonomous and all.
That would be sufficient.
LOL! I think they would go for it in a heartbeat.
It sure would cut down on their insurance costs, would make driving perfectly safe, and wouldn't reduce anyone's autonomy at all.
When people speak of autonomy, they don't mean the right to plow into other people's automobiles and injure or kill someone, unless maybe you're thinking of the world of Mad Max.
eudaimonia,
Mark
God's "plans" and "intentions" seem to include (according to you) toying with us along the way and allowing suffering at random. I want no part in such caprice.If God was primarily concerned about eliminating automobile accidents, then there are numerous means He could utilize to prevent them. But God did not create the universe and humanity so He could eliminate automobile accidents. Sorry to break it to ya Mark.
This amounts to desiring divine intervention in every scenario where human suffering is even possible. This would not be feasible with God's plans and intentions in creating this world in the first place.
If by "cared for" you mean prevented from making decisions freely according to our desires, then yes, there would be nothing we could do to create famine if God prevented us from making decisions freely according to our desires. God would stop anybody from committing any act that would directly or indirectly lead to famine. But we would not be free moral agents. We would be robots that were stopped and started and stopped and started numerous times throughout the day. It would be akin to children playing red light green light on the schoolyard. One minute we are eating our dinner and the next, boom we are frozen by God in our places because we were about to throw our leftovers out in the trash. One minute we are about to go to the movies, then boom, we are frozen in our place because God decides the money we were going to spend on the movies should be sent to the starving children in Africa.
God could have created a world like that. A world where many of our thoughts and acts were never brought to fruition because they would directly or indirectly lead to human suffering. But would you really want to be a puppet on a string?
Not to overcome His power, but to spoil His creation. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. In the beginning everything God created was good. He can not do otherwise. One good thing He created was man and woman in His image with the ability to make choices. What we see in the world now is the result of the choices WE MAKE.
Maybe your parents raised you to blame others, or blame your genes, or nature, or God, or whatever else for your shortcomings and failings. I was raised to be accountable for my own actions. It is called responsibility and accountability. If I foul up, I am to blame, not someone else. If I do wrong, I must own up to it. If I complain about human suffering, and then turn a blind eye to it when I see it, I am a hypocrite.
The amount of complaining and crying that goes on here staggers me. Like you or anyone else is so concerned about people suffering. How is that the ratio of Christians to atheists is so staggeringly unbalanced when it comes to those in third world countries who are taking care of the needy?
By the way nobody learns how to be a good human by suffering and dieing as a small child IMHO
Or, this is your way of explaining away the lack of demonstrable response by your god in *any* scenario.If God was primarily concerned about eliminating automobile accidents, then there are numerous means He could utilize to prevent them. But God did not create the universe and humanity so He could eliminate automobile accidents. Sorry to break it to ya Mark.
This amounts to desiring divine intervention in every scenario where human suffering is even possible. This would not be feasible with God's plans and intentions in creating this world in the first place. <snip>
Then you cannot assert that God is caring, merciful, etc. By virtue of being omnipotent and omniscient, God necessarily knows of a way to accomplish his goals and to avoid human suffering, unless his goals are for humans to suffer.If God was primarily concerned about eliminating automobile accidents, then there are numerous means He could utilize to prevent them. But God did not create the universe and humanity so He could eliminate automobile accidents. Sorry to break it to ya Mark.
This amounts to desiring divine intervention in every scenario where human suffering is even possible. This would not be feasible with God's plans and intentions in creating this world in the first place.
All this talk about children suffering and who has done what to help or not. We are only human and anything we do will only be a bandaid. God however could have eliminated the vast majority of this problem by simply making procreation only happen when the parents wanted a child. Seems pretty easy peasy to me but I'm just a fallible human. I'm sure God could have stopped the suffering.
Then you cannot assert that God is caring, merciful, etc.
By virtue of being omnipotent and omniscient, God necessarily knows of a way to accomplish his goals and to avoid human suffering, unless his goals are for humans to suffer.
Let's assume that the god you believe in exists. Do you believe we should worship this being?
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