I have been presenting what is written pertaining to those called by His name. The only objection has been the keeping of the traditions of men. Have it your way.
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I have been presenting what is written pertaining to those called by His name. The only objection has been the keeping of the traditions of men. Have it your way.Correction: This whole conversation has been about "hyphenated LAST names" (see the OT)---also known as "sur names" (which you now say you've never been addressing). None of your protests about not addressing sur names make sense (especially when you rebuked VG for not taking her husband's LAST name---how is that not "about sur names"?). That's a rhetorical question, because I sincerely don't want to engage in further conversation.
BTW.....if you're posts are attempts to "get your name out there" as a way to promote your book? You may want to consider that you may be doing more harm than good.
Even the traditions of biblical men fall short of the fact that God himself refers to his children as those called by his name. If you put that together with God's words on marriage and that the husband represents Christ...we can either follow what is written, or the traditions of men. It's a choice...which greatly depends on who you are listening to: God or men.While if I were a single young man looking for a wife in this culture not being willing to take her husband's last name as a potential red flag, I think you are overstating the case. If Christians should take their husband's names, do you have evidence for it from the Bible? The only example I can find is Herodius, and she wasn't a very good example. Taking her husband's name was a Grecco Roman custom (maybe Roman), not a Hebrew one. Roman woman had their father's name before marriage. If Tulius had two daughters, the daughters would be Tulia Major and Tulia Minor. The Bible doesn't call Mary Josepheius after she married Joseph.
I think you've used the "Nu-Uh!" response a bit too much in this thread. Do you have anything else up your sleeve?You keep referring to the traditions of men, while I keep referring to those called by His name in keeping with what is written. So be it.
You keep referring to the traditions of men, while I keep referring to those called by His name in keeping with what is written. So be it.
I guess I would prefer if more people would have civil unions rather than weddings. I view marriage as a cultural institution not so much a religious one. It was in fact the last "sacrament" for Catholicism and only became one in the twelfth century, right about the time hereditary titles became a central facet to the feudal landscape... Evidently marriage consists in protecting the property rights of men and their progeny (another type of property) rather than women.
Even the traditions of biblical men fall short of the fact that God himself refers to his children as those called by his name. If you put that together with God's words on marriage and that the husband represents Christ...we can either follow what is written, or the traditions of men. It's a choice...which greatly depends on who you are listening to: God or men.
Where in the bible is there any mention of a "civil union?" OTOH, I see definite references to weddings.I guess I would prefer if more people would have civil unions rather than weddings.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that God ordained marriage. Jesus and the apostles taught on it. The concept of marriage is important for understanding sexual morality as God has revealed it. His law also had Israelite land passed on through the male family lineage.
Right. That's why I have NO idea where this idea is coming from (that there's been some written precedent set in the Bible).Christians don't all take Christ as their last name either.
I keep giving the distinctly biblical point of view, while you keep showing your true colors by calling names.And I am STILL waiting for you to present a biblical mandate to back up your distinctly American point of view. You know nothing of other cultural traditions in your feeble attempt to push your American and ignorant point of view on everyone else.
Interesting...because God calls us "those who are called by my name." I wonder who is wrong then?Women actually taking their husband's name isn't shown in scripture, except for a Greek or Roman naming convention--- Herod's illegal wife taking the name Herodias. Christians don't all take Christ as their last name either.
I keep giving the distinctly biblical point of view, while you keep showing your true colors by calling names.
I am [completely] siding with the biblical model...and if that sounds Anglo-American, well then, Cool!One more time...are you claiming that other cultural naming traditions are "unbiblical"? Why do you insist on pushing your distinctly Anglo-American tradition as the only "correct, biblical" model?
I am [completely] siding with the biblical model...and if that sounds Anglo-American, well then, Cool!
My only boast is God's word...and I have base every post on it. And there you go again.Sorry...you have yet to prove your point. You have repeatedly been asked to provide biblical support and have not done so. You are overlaying Anglo-American traditions on your beliefs, which shows a totally erroneous hermaneutic on your part again. Therefore your exegesis deserves all the attention I will give it....none.
That's funny. There were marriage ceremonies LONG before the Israelites came on the scene.
Interesting...because God calls us "those who are called by my name." I wonder who is wrong then?
That's not the same thing as taking a husband's last name. Is your last name the name of the God? Is 'Jesus' your last name? Was Jesus' last name 'Christian'?
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