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What it seems to me and I have been following and commenting on three or four of Lori's threads is that she does not have a clear understanding of what certain words mean.
Examples of this may be grace, justification, sanctification, sin and how these words pertain back to salvation and what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe that if she would seek to clarify and understand these things, that she would see that they do not take anything away from the finished work of Christ.
It seems she is defending against these words, mistakenly thinking that they take away from what Jesus did. I think that she compares each word to the finished work of Christ and then defends Christ, instead of seeing that the words are part of what we receive and part of what has been done for us. It is in a premise of defending against these other things that she views them, not understanding their meaning in a bigger picture.
BryanW92 said:Amen to that!! Do you participate in bible study classes at your church? You seem to be searching for an answer that would be cleared up in an hour of bible study with some other Christians. The internet is the wrong place to find answers. We should always take our questions to our local church where people can look us in the eye as they hear our questions and we can see them as they help us find answers. If you've already tried the local church and "everyone there is wrong", then perhaps you need to re-examine your own findings.
ToBeBlessed said:What it seems to me and I have been following and commenting on three or four of Lori's threads is that she does not have a clear understanding of what certain words mean. Examples of this may be grace, justification, sanctification, sin and how these words pertain back to salvation and what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe that if she would seek to clarify and understand these things, that she would see that they do not take anything away from the finished work of Christ. It seems she is defending against these words, mistakenly thinking that they take away from what Jesus did. I think that she compares each word to the finished work of Christ and then defends Christ, instead of seeing that the words are part of what we receive and part of what has been done for us. It is in a premise of defending against these other things that she views them, not understanding their meaning in a bigger picture.
I'm still open to learning more this forum is to full of scoffers that it's hard for me to learn much
BryanW92 said:This is the problem with the printed word. You come across as trying to instruct us rather than seeking to learn anything. If we try to teach, you call us scoffers. Many of us went through the apparent contradictions between grace (as it is taught by many churches) and salvation and the law already. Remember that it you who brought the RCG into these forums, so you must bear quite a bit of the blame here. Fortunately, you are not associated with that "church" and much of the scoffing has been at the RCG postings.
lori milne said:Well Since you insist on commenting about me & on my life but not to me ? Im inclined to involve you once again just so im not being rude and because it's getting weird.
I'll ask a simple questions.
If your sins are Coved because your saved by grace and we fall short.
Then a Christian who is gay or an abortion dr sins are Also covered according to saved by grace because all sins are being covered. No one can pluck them out of his hand,
Then do you agree with abortion and sodomy ? (Btw just to be clear on "my answer " before anyone assume I'm gay or an abortion dr also since no one has been able to understand me correctly. My faith pushes me to righteousness and that keeps me favored in Gods eyes so all sins must be repented of and that's my stance' lying adultery sodomy and murder )
This one gets me a little confused because of hypocrisy
I have had a great time on my pursuit of the truth
And pray I don't become or stay closed minded .
In the mean time is it harmful to live in righteousness and so it not just because the word of God says obey but because you love God your father and want to obey?
Does that mentality condemn others! I hope not
. Because "I can't see "any other reason why my search would offend anyone!
This is all based off scripture contradicting what I've been taught by the mainstream churches today.
Maybe I dont trust man.
Maybe I don't trust God
Either way it's a search that will defiantly lead To an answer if I keep searching for my FAITH in the word
Amen
FanthatSpark said:Outside looking in, Your church "Now" stands for service not belief for contradictions are arising in the teachings. However, there are people there you care deeply about and are friends and maybe family. Division is now manifest as Jesus tells about and mentioned in this thread. One stated the coldness of this format and there can be no better truth than that. This one tried to teach "Concept" and people that live with no knowledge but concept is strong in them. Bryan is teaching context of the Word. tobeblessed teaches knowledge, however, her meekness can not be expressed in this cold format. This one had to do what Bryan says not to do to come full circle in using the Word scriptures applied to self (Not us) out of context to fix moral compass back to love for the singular church inside of this heart placed there by God. That was for me, not Bryan, to sip the milk . Me and Bryan discussed this area in months gone past about Cherry picking, ya remember that Bryan. For me, God had to build this one up first, and that required scripture to apply to self . For Bryan it is wrong, for me in those months it was right. However, one grows , the key is ... We grow . We are the vessels, flawed each and every one of us . Life is the canvas and it seems now God is the teacher after 36 years of putting faith in people to guide your soul Lori. Today you seem to be following scripture in Prov.3-5 and Matt 22:37, and division as talked about in this thread is now taking place inside of you Lori. This is good . Even the preacher in a God first mind set is only a human and not the be all tell all. That produces worship qualities in the man and man is all he is, just like you Lori . It is God and you. God and these writings by vessels, our different styles, but a oneness in the search in what ???? ... .... ... . In closing, think upon when we invoke Jesus..."In Jesus name we pray" in Jesus name we test the spirit 1John 4:1. In Jesus name is... 1 John 4:8 for Jesus is the trinity in part, so we invoke love and in translation of conceptual thinking that
translates to "In loves name we pray" "In loves name we test the spirits". Who is selfless enough to die for the undeserved? Love is, in its purest form.. Will further this in Concept thread. Blessings all .
lori milne said:I'll ask a simple questions.
If your sins are Coved because your saved by grace and we fall short.
Then a Christian who is gay or an abortion dr sins are Also covered according to saved by grace because all sins are being covered. No one can pluck them out of his hand,
Then do you agree with abortion and sodomy ? (Btw just to be clear on "my answer " before anyone assume I'm gay or an abortion dr also since no one has been able to understand me correctly. My faith pushes me to righteousness and that keeps me favored in Gods eyes so all sins must be repented of and that's my stance' lying adultery sodomy and murder )
This one gets me a little confused because of hypocrisy
Jesus death on the cross for the forgiveness of sin is sufficient to forgive a person who has committed murder and who has committed sexual sin (this is your abortion doctor and gay man & sodomy scenarios).
Now, the presumption would be that both of these people have been saved by Jesus.
I understand that you feel that your faith has pushed you to righteousness. That is good.
However, God see's any sin, as sin. Therefore, if someone would lie to their boss and say they are sick when they are actually going on vacation a day early that is sin. If a person steals their friends Coach bag because they've always wanted one, that is sin. If I find a cat in my backyard, but see a sign that the owners are looking for the cat, but ignore the sign and keep the cat anyway. That is sin.
It is not our job to give a higher priority to one sin over the other in judgement of anyone else.
Our sins are still sins.
We have all been given grace which is God's unmerited favor in that He is just and faithful to forgive us our sins.
1 John 1:8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Isaiah 59:2
“But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear”
So then they are forgiven and covered
According to OSAS or saved by grace.
I do feel if did have a better understanding of that I would agree
But again I'm still not their with it.
Thanks for the answer
So then they are forgiven and covered
According to OSAS or saved by grace.
I do feel if did have a better understanding of that I would agree
But again I'm still not their with it.
Thanks for the answer
It does seem that universal salvation (the unrepentant murder goes to heaven too) has taken root in many circles today. I heard it mentioned in church just this last Sunday.
Where will the hyper end?
What is the book of life then?ToBeBlessed said:Let's just remember though that each of us will be judged on Judgement Day. Jesus said that we will be judged on what we have done that is good and receive rewards and we would be judged on the negative things that we do. Just because someone is not going to hell, doesn't mean that there is no judgement for them. We don't know how Jesus will handle those situations. What we do know though is that Jesus is the perfect judge as He knows the heart. I know that no one is pulling anything over on the Lord. Whether people choose to believe it or not, no one's pulling anything over on God. I am content with that. We know that the Lord is righteous and just.
It does seem that universal salvation (the unrepentant murder goes to heaven too) has taken root in many circles today. I heard it mentioned in church just this last Sunday.
Where will the hyper end?
Norah63 said:It does seem that universal salvation (the unrepentant murder goes to heaven too) has taken root in many circles today. I heard it mentioned in church just this last Sunday. Where will the hyper end?
So do you think the murderer isn't able to go to heaven if he is saved by grace/ OSAS If no one can snatch him out of his handBryanW92 said:Universal salvation refers to everyone going to heaven, not the murderer who accepts Jesus. Nothing gets more hyper-grace than universal salvation.
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