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[simplyg123]

is it bad that i jumped for joy when saddam was hung, am i sinning by rejocing in the death of a " human being"?

 

[geetrue]

The body is dead without the spirit (Book of St James)

The body of Saddam is dead, but his spirit is in the hands of our God by now ...

That was one powerful spirit that willfully comitted the crimes he was accused of ...

The Lord was patient ... and got his revenge.

He had a funny name, no? Sad-dam ... I guess I mis-spelled that ...

The deed has been done ... Come on home everbody ...

Unless the Lord's not finished over there yet ...

 

[livefortheday]

i suppose it is a bit i dunno.
if your rejoicing because he's suffering you can rejoice a whole lot more now that he's with God. Its no use killing people only god can judge...

 

[carrymeaway06]

Couple of points:

God is the ultimate judge, but He gave governments the power to judge here on earth (Leviticus), when we (as a governement, not as in you or I) execute a criminal it's not out of revenge. We've decided in our decisively human standards and ways that Saddam has committed extreme acts against human kind. He refuses to stop and definitely won't "repent".

His heart has been hardened against God and this we can see. (Zechariah 7:12 They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that the Lord Almighty had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So the Lord Almighty was very angry. )

So, unfortuneately, sin actually equals something... no matter what size (if we lie, it will catch up to us, if we cheat, they will find out, if we kill, we will be caught.)

Saddam murdered thousands of people, tortured more. He needed to be taken away, never would he be released to kill again and my tax money isn't going towards holding him in prison where he gets three square meals a day and cable TV.

God can deal with him, and if we made a mistake, He'll deal with us.

 

[simplyg123]

amen

 

[Carey]

I guess rejoicing that he is dead because the world is a bit safer without him is fine.

Praise God Bush had the courage to take him out.

Maybe we will get Armadinijad next.

God bless,
Carey

 

[carrymeaway06]

I guess rejoicing that he is dead because the world is a bit safer without him is fine.

Praise God Bush had the courage to take him out.

Maybe we will get Armadinijad next.

God bless,
Carey

We need to find Bin Laden before anything or we're going to be attacked again. He hates us worse than anyone and the fact that we attacked afghanistan and occupied it ticks him off more.

 

[kiwimac]

Yes, you are.

 

[Carey]

We need to find Bin Laden before anything or we're going to be attacked again. He hates us worse than anyone and the fact that we attacked afghanistan and occupied it ticks him off more.

Bin Laden eventually will be caught. As for now we obviously have him almost crippled or we would have already been hit again since 9-11.

Armadinijad is far more dangerous

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A report submitted to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon calls for the Jewish state to plan pre-emptive strikes against Iran’s nuclear plant and nuclear second-strike capability as a deterrent against its hostile neighbors in the Middle East.
The report, "Israel's Strategic Future," says Israel must prevent its enemies from developing weapons of mass destruction through strikes against vital facilities.
Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin, a premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WorldNetDaily, first reported Israel has already begun drawing up plans for a strike at Iran’s nuclear facilities that could come before the end of the summer.
The report says Israel has been threatened by a biological or nuclear first-strike that seeks to exploit Israel's small space and high population density.
"To meet its ultimate deterrence objectives -- that is, to deter the most overwhelmingly destructive enemy first-strikes -- Israel must seek and achieve a visible second-strike capability to target approximately 15 enemy cities," the report says. "Ranges would be to cities in Libya and Iran, and recognizable nuclear bomb yields would be at a level sufficient to fully compromise the aggressor's viability as a functioning state. All enemy targets should be selected with the view that their destruction would promptly force the enemy to cease all nuclear/biological/chemical exchanges with Israel."
The report also called on Israel to develop a multi-layered ballistic missile defense system.
Iran last month announced plans to begin building a heavy-water reactor that can produce weapons-grade plutonium, Israel began drawing up plans to demolish it – much as it destroyed an Iraqi nuclear facility more than a decade ago.
While Tehran insists the facility is purely for research, the decision heightens concern about Iran's ability to produce nuclear aims.
The 40-megawatt reactor could produce enough plutonium for a nuclear weapon each year, according to sources.
While construction is set to begin in June, Iran already had previously announced plans to build such a reactor last year to the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency.
The reactor site is at Arak, next to an already built heavy-water production plant. It is to replace a reactor using non-weapons grade enriched uranium that the Iranians mothballed because they said it was outmoded and lacked fuel.
Because enrichment can be used both to generate power and make nuclear warheads, Iran has said it has suspended all enrichment activities to prove its peaceful intentions. It also cannot buy enriched fuel on legal markets because of international suspicions about its intentions. Observers wonder out loud why Iran, a nation with vast oil reserves, is so intent on producing nuclear power.
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[carrymeaway06]

Bin Laden eventually will be caught. As for now we obviously have him almost crippled or we would have already been hit again since 9-11.

Armadinijad is far more dangerous

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I don't disagree he is... but if we STOP following and searching for Bin Laden, he'll have time to regroup. He has to have a plan, he just hasn't had the time to organize it. He's a terror mastermind, no doubt he's prepared.

 

[Carey]

I don't disagree he is... but if we STOP following and searching for Bin Laden, he'll have time to regroup. He has to have a plan, he just hasn't had the time to organize it. He's a terror mastermind, no doubt he's prepared.

We have never stopped looking to get Bin Laden and we won't as long as Bush is in office.
We only stopped looking while Clinton was in office, then after 9-11 Bush started the hunt back up.
Nuking Iran will not make it harder to find Bin Laden. we wont have to watch areas of the world were life cannot exist for many years...LOL
The use of nukes is inevitable. These things will have to come to pass to wipe out a third of life on the planet as prophecied in the Bible.
But soon after praise God Jesus will be coming in the clouds.

God bless,
Carey

 

[RigalCygnos]

Consider this:

He may be lying very ill somewhere, near death, or even dead. How would we know?

OR

He has been running around in a burqa ever since he escaped from Afghanistan, maybe even in the caves.

Any thoughts?

 

[Carey]

Consider this:

He may be lying very ill somewhere, near death, or even dead. How would we know?

OR

He has been running around in a burqa ever since he escaped from Afghanistan, maybe even in the caves.

Any thoughts?[/quote]

I think just as God has allowed Satan to exist and function . God isallowing Bin Laden to function for a time.


The last time the world heard from Osama bin Laden, there was reason to believe his end was near. In a videotape released in December, bin Laden looked sallow; his speech was slow, and his left arm immobile. (The Arab newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reported last month that bin Laden was nursing a shrapnel wound when he made the tape.) The U.S intercepted chatter in the Tora Bora mountains between bin Laden and his forces that seemed to give up his location. Pakistani forces bottled up the border while American warplanes pounded the caves of eastern Afghanistan and special-ops troops positioned themselves for the big grab. "He doesn't have a lot of good options," said Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.
But he still had a few. Six months after hailing bin Laden's imminent capture or death, Pentagon officials now admit that the al-Qaeda leader "has gone missing" since the siege of Tora Bora. Missing, of course, could mean dead, and a small minority of officials in the Pentagon, CIA and FBI believe that bin Laden's public silence since the December tape suggests he has succumbed — if not to U.S. air strikes, then possibly to kidney failure. But the fact is, Washington just doesn't know. "The proof that he's alive is, we don't hear anything from Osama bin Laden," says Larry Johnson, a former State Department counterterrorism official. "The proof that he's dead is, we don't hear anything from Osama bin Laden
Jan. 17, 2004

The White House believes he still walks the earth. Administration officials tell TIME that U.S. intelligence officers are getting credible reports — through secondhand sources — from people who say they have talked to bin Laden recently. "The guy is alive," says a Bush aide. "He's just being really quiet. It's not in his interest to show where he really is. So he's just maintaining complete silence."
And it's getting louder. While public support for the war against al-Qaeda remains steadfast, frustration with the futility of the hunt for bin Laden, his top deputies and Taliban leader Mullah Omar is mounting among lawmakers, counterterrorism officials and military strategists. "Why haven't we found him?" says an official. "That's the question bouncing around inside." At the moment, the U.S. isn't anywhere close to answering it. A military official says the U.S. had as many as a dozen informed leads last fall about bin Laden's whereabouts, but the number has since dwindled "to the very low digits." The Administration has tried, with some success, to change the subject by ignoring him. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hasn't been publicly asked about bin Laden's whereabouts in more than two months ("He's alive or dead. He's in Afghanistan or somewhere else," Rumsfeld said in April), and White House aides say bin Laden's name rarely comes up in meetings. But that's not a good sign. "I think we've lost him," says a U.S. counterterrorism official. "That's why you're not hearing much talk about the hunt — because we're not succeeding."
Bringing bin Laden to justice has been a nonnegotiable U.S. war aim since Sept. 17, when President Bush declared that he wanted the al-Qaeda leader dead or alive. But with the trail growing cold, White House aides have lately offered a new definition of victory. "If he's unable to perpetrate terrorist attacks, we win," says one. That's not enough to quiet the private grumbles of dissent in both parties about the failure of the Pentagon and CIA to plink their top target. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, a Vietnam war hero and Democratic presidential aspirant, is among those who argue that the Administration's fear of casualties and reliance on Afghan proxies allowed bin Laden and his henchmen to slip away. "The strategy of Tora Bora failed to target al-Qaeda in an appropriate way to do the job," he says. "Troops were literally held out of certain kinds of actions that might have made a difference." A Bush aide claims that the President "pays [bin Laden] no attention," but Bush has left little doubt he wants bin Laden erased by Sept. 11, 2002. A military official told TIME that U.S. commanders are discussing another major offensive to find bin Laden by the end of the summer. Even with bin Laden at large, the U.S.-led effort to dismantle his global network is yielding some returns. Last week Saudi officials announced the arrest of 13 al-Qaeda operatives believed to be planning attacks on U.S. military installations. American officials acknowledged that Syria has detained Mohammed Heidar Zammar, a German national of Syrian origin believed to be a recruiter for the Hamburg cell that produced Mohamed Atta (see box). But the arrests of low-level operatives won't necessarily lead the U.S. closer to bin Laden. Some counterterrorism officials believe that al-Qaeda has no middle management, which helps ensure that vital information does not flow beyond bin Laden's closest lieutenants. "There may be a command element and the bombers," says a Pentagon official, "and nothing in between."

 

[KarrieTex]

is it bad that i jumped for joy when saddam was hung, am i sinning by rejocing in the death of a " human being"?

I am not sure since I did the same thing.

I am not sure that we are celebrating the fact he was put to death so much as justice has been met out.

Let's not forget we didn't put the man to death. His own country did and they carried out the justice they saw fit.

 

[RigalCygnos]

The reason I mentioned Osama in a burqa is because of an article that I read about an American lady news reporter who had to wear a burqa to travel around Afghanistan and Pakistan. She said not one muslim militia or border guard checked her identity, just waved her thru.

And this was back about the time that bin Laden disappeared from Afghanistan. And now, we are hearing more about men wearing burqas to escape the authorities and commit crimes when it is expressly forbidden in the Quaran for men to dress like women.

But I still believe that Osama is either dying or dead. And I believe it is to the advantage of the terrorists as a playing card to keep the world afraid of what he might do next.

Call me a dreamer....

 

[KarrieTex]

The reason I mentioned Osama in a burqa is because of an article that I read about an American lady news reporter who had to wear a burqa to travel around Afghanistan and Pakistan. She said not one muslim militia or border guard checked her identity, just waved her thru.

And this was back about the time that bin Laden disappeared from Afghanistan. And now, we are hearing more about men wearing burqas to escape the authorities and commit crimes when it is expressly forbidden in the Quaran for men to dress like women.

But I still believe that Osama is either dying or dead. And I believe it is to the advantage of the terrorists as a playing card to keep the world afraid of what he might do next.

Call me a dreamer....

I don't know. I see that is something very possible for them to do in order to escape.

 

[carrymeaway06]

Bin Laden is alive... If he's not, we have a bigger problem because we have a mess of terrorists "with him" going through a whole lot of trouble to make us believe he is indeed alive. And if he's not, those terrorists are just as dangerous because they are going to be bent on fulfilling his dreams.

 

[geetrue]

I don't disagree he is... but if we STOP following and searching for Bin Laden, he'll have time to regroup. He has to have a plan, he just hasn't had the time to organize it. He's a terror mastermind, no doubt he's prepared.

There's something funny about Bin Laden taking the last six months off ...

Watch, he'll probably surface tomorrow, but no comunications from him in six months is a long time, especially with all that has been going on.

He is a suni and Saddam was pro suni ...

 

[livefortheday]

i guess seeing as people here have different opinions viewing the death penalty,war and bush to mine ill say that if you believe the death penalty is legal then you should be allowed to rejoice in his death. But if you believe that death penalty is a sin then you would be rejoicing in something evil.
Iran has as much right as the US or france or britain to have nuclear technology.
every man's freedom fighter is an other man's terrorist.

 

[Carey]

There's something funny about Bin Laden taking the last six months off ...

Watch, he'll probably surface tomorrow, but no comunications from him in six months is a long time, especially with all that has been going on.

He is a suni and Saddam was pro suni ...

I hope he does surface soon.
I think our new weapons that can strike anywhere on earth in less than 1 hour that are non nuclear will be in ( terrorists) commission anytime.
They are specifically designed for vaporizing everything in only about a 3000 foot radius.
We are like a hunter waiting for the prey to just show its head.